Laissez Vibrer: Chords tied to nothing
Laissez Vibrer (= Let it Vibrate) appears on piano scores from the 1890s onwards.
Means playing a chord, releasing your fingers but sustainging it with the pedal.
Consists of slurs that either:
type 1) start on a chord and lead to "nowhere" (Starting)
type 2) they don't connect anything (Between). They mostly appear around barlines and are the most rare.
type 3) they come from "nowhere" and lead to a chord (Recieving)
You may not understand what I mean, so see the attachment.
**The length of the slurs should be easily changed, but, by default, they should be somewhat longer than usual.
**The playback should either not change, or in the type 3, the chord could be silent.
**I suggest that the type 2 was some sort of bar line property that memorised how many notes had a laissez vibrer in the preceding bar and "transmitted" them to the next bar.
Thany you.
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See also:
http://musescore.org/en/node/11932
Not the same thing, but it seems to me a new feature implemented to fill one need coild also fillthe other.
BTW, the symbol you describe can be found in the rext symbols palette - create staff text, hit F2. It's a bit small by default, but since it is ordinary text, you can make it larger. Too large and it looks strange because it becomes too "fat" as well as too long.
You also find these signs in classical guitar music.
Well, as for 5488, this is partly fixed.
By pressing a single note and +, you can write 'starting' ties, but 'recieving' ties are not yet implemented.
This is great news. I look forward to the 2nd part.
Also used in percussion music (mostly for cymbals)
Laissez Vibrer is usually translated to English as "Let ring" (I'm mostly including this comment to aid future keyword searches)
Really? I've normally heard it translated as "let vibrate", although that's I mostly see it in percussion.
Since this issue was in fact several feature requests, I'm separating them. The "starting" tie ability has been implemented, so I'm gonna close this issue. I've created another for the "recieving" ability.
#17595: Notes receiving unconnected ties
Thanks.
See also on the forums:
http://musescore.org/en/node/15720
Automatically closed -- issue fixed for 2 weeks with no activity.
There is no proper implementation for this feature. A proposal would be to add tie before/ tie after as symbols in the palette in order to accomodate the need of "laissez vibrer" and tie in a volta. Also see #17595: Notes receiving unconnected ties
What's the current status of this guys?
Interesting - I saw there was code to deal with this as far as layout goes, and also code in edit mode to allow the anchor of a tie to be changed much as for slurs.
So, putting 2 & 2 together, it looks this is *is* possible, but in an oddly convoluted way:
1) select note
2) press "+" to add tie, which creates a "long" tie (to next instrance of that note, wherever it might be)
3) double click tie
4) drag end handle all the way back to the original note (and I mean all the way) - you'll see it turn red, indicating it is now its own end anchor
5) drag to the right again to make it a reasonable length
Viola!
BTW, you can also use Ctrl+arrow instead of drag for steps 4 & 5. But no Shift+arrow as for slurs.
I don't consider this good enough to close the issue, but it's something...
There's also SMuFL glyphs for Laissez vibrer, see http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/articulation/
Maybe these could get added along with #109136: Accent staccatos and marcato staccatos: Need playback property
Just FYI, Marc's workaround doesn't work anymore - Beta 3.3 . Ties are always anchored to another note, I can drag all the way the other direction without it self-anchoring.
And it's not just piano, this is used in percussion as well. I'd rather just have a separate symbol that doesn't do anything but looks like a short tie, and is applied to every note selected in a chord.
Initially reported against 2.1, this isn't a 3.x dev regression
I prefer using the tie symbol myself. To be clear: this already exists, and has for several years, it's on the Symbols palette ("laissez vibrer"), in both up & down variants. I prefer to add it as text, though, using the Special Characters palette (under Articulations), as I like to be able to size it. This makes a nice addition to a custom palette.
Others prefer tying to an invisible grace note after, but this is more appropriate I think for ties into voltas etc, as this ends up being much longer. I guess you can manually adjust, though.
In reply to (No subject) by Jojo-Schmitz
i need an actual functional (useable with chords) L.V. so badly
In reply to I prefer using the tie… by Marc Sabatella
Marc - I am using your suggestion of special character, Laissez Vibrer, to tie into a second ending. One nit, question. How do I resize it? Thanks
If you add is as text from special characters, you just increase the font size in the Inspector.
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Is there any way to fix your typo "recieving" at this late stage? As an anglophile it rather sticks out to me. The "rule" in English is I before E except after C, but of course the rule is often broken as in "reign", Keith, etc.