Complex repeats and jumps
Hi folks,
I have a big problem to figure out, how to get this complex score to work with the 'jumps' and repeats in musescore.
If you take a look to the attached jpg you will see the order, how it should go. The first problem is at point 1.) Because this is not a common "repeat" the prima volta (pour suivre) and seconda volta (pour Trio) is ignored by musescore.
The segno at 3.) is working with a 'D.S.'. As mentioned before the seconda volta at 4.) isn't working. musescore is running through both. Additional I do not know how to make a "jump" like to 'TRIO' an how to run several times over the 'al Coda' at point 6.) and only jump at the last iteration to the final five measure.
Can this complex repeats only be solved by writing the notes nearly completely out by detail, meaning not using the jumps and voltas? Do I not see the forest for the trees?
B-TypeAccordeon
PS: Sorry for the poor English...
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Commentaires
You can write all the necessary notations using MuseScore. However MuseScore won't playback correctly.
En réponse à You can write all the par David Bolton
Even Sibelius has to have a way of saying that a repeat sign only operates on particular repeats, so MuseScore is not alone in having problems with this.
People need to remember this is a notation program, not a sequencer.
En réponse à Not alone par cwhysall
What is the difference between a notation program and sequencer?
En réponse à What is the difference par chen lung
I would say that a notation program is specifically designed to produce music notation for musicians to play from. Hence it should produce printed music that looks good on the page that is easy to read.
A sequencer is specifically designed to enable a computer to play music, either through the computer's own audio resources or using external synthesisers via MIDI. A sequencer does not need to generate well laid out music suitable for printing.
So different design criteria apply. A notation program will in all probability play the music back for the sake of the composer, but it doesn't have to do it very well. It doesn't have to take into account the nuances in playing that the human will bring to the piece in timing and dynamics, although it might make a token gesture to play ff louder than pp, for example. You would expect a sequencer to have full control over those nuances. Whether they are used or not is another matter!
En réponse à Difference between a notation program and a sequencer par cwhysall
It would be easy, however, to have for each measure a property giving the ordinal number of the next measure to play, on first, second, etc....times, the default being the next measure. This would solve any configuration, and could be given in the process of edition, whichever the standard signs (measures bar, segno, da capo etc) are.
This proposal does deny the relevance of the previous posts.
En réponse à It would be easy, however, to par robert leleu
That is sort of what Sibelius does. See attached image.
En réponse à a la Sib, par cwhysall
indeed. That's also the way it works in Pizzicato (another music editor)
En réponse à indeed. That's also the way par robert leleu
I created a feature requests to sum up this discussion : #8604: Better control of repeats and jumps for playback
Hi,
@David: Thank you, for the fast reply. Additionally for the solution with the up-stem notes in march. I just saw it in these days. 8-o
@all: I think it is not a question of notation program or sequencer. It is the functionality a solution offers. If there is a solution just to create or 'produce printed music', without any other claim, then it don't need the capability to playback.
If a solution has the ability to playback, then it should do this in the correct way. The different repeats, jumps, voltas, coda and 'signs' for this purpose, are not mysterious. They do have a logical structure which details the movement and operations performed within the music notation.
No one would imply, that musescore is just for printing music sheets. It is to mighty. The range of application is great. Learning, education, midi etc.
I just learned so much about music and notation with musescore! So my statement is not to understand as an attack or criticize to the application or the people behind. musescore and the people behind is a very amazing thing. No one could imagine how much work, passion and sleepless nights there are in this project!
In this case I will finish my score for the printer. After this I'll create a detailed one, without jumps, just with working repeats for playback.
B-TypeAccordeon
En réponse à Complex repeats and jumps par B-TypeAccordeon
'....I just learned so much about music and notation with musescore! So my statement is not to understand as an attack or criticize to the application or the people behind. musescore and the people behind is a very amazing thing. No one could imagine how much work, passion and sleepless nights there are in this project!......'
I fully support this!! Just a few weeks ago I discovered the existence of MuseScore
and I love this program! Many appreciations for those designers! Respect!!
Joe.