Unintended arpeggio

• Jul 2, 2012 - 07:08

Re the attached: on playback, when the composition ritards at the end, the first two chords with fermatas (fermate?) play back oddly; specifically, they sound all but their top note, which follows slightly delayed. This isn't the intended performance; you'll notice no arpeggio notation. There is a bracket, indicating those two chords are to be played with the right hand. But that doesn't seem to have caused the problem; this playback was odd before I found the square bracket in the Arpeggios flyout. And inducing the ritard by the successive application of blank tempo texts doesn't seem to be the problem; this odd playback existed before I learned about that trick. Any ideas why this is performing so? Thank you very much.

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In reply to by chen lung

Thank you for your comment and link. However, I think the point was missed. I don't want an arpeggio (hence the original subject line "Unintended arpeggio"). If you look at the score, the last three chords are all intended to be played without arpeggio. There are no arpeggio marks on any of those last three chords. But for some reason, in the first two of those last three, the top note is delayed. The other four notes strike together; the top note is delayed. You can even see as well as hear this during playback, as the bottom four notes turn blue, followed by the top note. I can find nothing that could cause this; playing around with the note onset value does nothing for it (I've even given it a huge negative number). My question is, why are those two notes (an E natural and a D) sounding late when this behavior exists nowhere else in this composition?

In reply to by km2002

If those chords are intendend to play without arpeggio, why then did you use an arpeggio bracket?
Also your arpeggio bracket seems to have been added wrongly, applied to the top note only, then dragged larger. Instead select top note, shift select bottom note and double click the arpeggio bracket on the palette

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

I used an arpeggio bracket because it was the only symbol at hand that even looked close to what I wanted, besides which I have seen a square bracket used before to indicated all notes played by one hand. I see in another post (http://musescore.org/en/node/16279) that someone has suggested small square hooks be used for this purpose, and even suggested putting them in the fingerings palette. Nice idea. Not what I had in mind; but it might work, especially if you had top and bottom hooks. As to the application of the bracket, thanks for the tip. That might explain why three of the four notes were playing at the same time. I might try applying it only to the bottom note and dragging it up (the reverse of your observation) just to see what happens. But IMNSHO, MuseScore needs a square bracket to indicate handedness.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

As I said at one point, I couldn't get the top image in my score; the E flat wants to drop into the bass. Currently, having removed the arpeggio brackets, I have the second (although I'd have to put the low bass notes in another voice to get that exactly). But there's still no mechanism to pull off the bracketing, is there?

In reply to by km2002

Although I did just manage to move the E flat up to the treble notes if I selected the G above it and moved that up. Strange how these things work sometimes.

In reply to by km2002

Keyboard entry is extremely easy. Just type the letter of the note you want. Type "E" to enter an E, etc. Cursor keys to then move notes up or down a half step at a time, ctrl-cursor to move them an ovpctave. It's much more efficient thatn mouse entry; try it for a few inputs and you'll never go back.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Well, not for me, I'm not fluent in note names ;-), I just see these blobby things on a certain line or between certain lines.
(well I do know the note names, but can't map them to/from the places in a staff)
And the fact the the german H spells B in MuseScore is an additional hurdle...

In reply to by km2002

"But IMNSHO, MuseScore needs a square bracket to indicate handedness."

Yes indeed, and it has alrready been asked for in the upcoming versiomn 2.0.

This is because indicating hands isnt the only use for this kind of bracket. It is used to indicate barres in guitar music and keeyboards in organ and harpsichord music.

In reply to by ChurchOrganist

I guess, ChurchOrganist, that I'm thinking a square bracket as opposed to the square hook. I saw where someone suggested the hook (I think you weighed in on that node, in fact). But I don't think I'm wrong to say, which I haven't said yet in so many words, that the bracket has been used to indicated handedness instead of arpeggio. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me. But the only arpeggio symbol I've ever seen, at least until MuseScore, was the squiggly line.

As I read your comment and the link attached, you seemed to be directed toward the playing of an arpeggio. After downloading the file and seeing it was full of grace notes more than arpeggios, my original conclusion that your material didn't fit my problem was corroborated. Besides, it turns out I was using the bracket in a manner not designed. I guess that now I'm waiting for version 2.0 for more than just falls and doits. Xie xie for contributing, though.

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