Alterations not consistent

• Oct 21, 2011 - 11:07
Type
Functional
Severity
S5 - Suggestion
Status
by design
Project

To exemplify this feature request, in MuseScore 1.1 Rev. 4611 I have 1 measure with 2 d flat notes because of the Key Signature.

If I apply a "Natural" to the first note, the second one displayes a flat sign before it which makes sense.

Now, the feature request that I have is if when I also apply a "Natural" alteration to the 2nd note in this example the actual visible sign of the "Natural" alteration would dissapear, because, if the 1st note that used to be a d flat has been altered as "Natural" at the begining of the measure and thus rightfully displays a "Natural" symbol before it, then the second one shouldn't display a "Natural" sign again as that is useless.

Please do add this feature as it is VERY helpfull because a lot of times people just write in the key the have, without to many alterations around which would be the point of this not occuring.

Thank you!


Comments

This is hard to read :) This is what I do

  1. Create a score in C major
  2. Add to D flat in the first measure
  3. Select the first D and click on the natural in the toolbar. I see a D natural and a Db
  4. I select the second D and click the natural sign again. I have 2 D natural

It looks good to me. It's the only way to have several naturals on the same pitch in a measure, for example to put a courtesy natural. If I don't want the second D natural. I change the step 4 by "I select the second D and press the arrow up key". I end up with a D natural and a D.

If you feature request is implemented, how would you add a courtesy accidental?

I thnk the confusion is that a lot of people don't realize the arrow keys are the normal way to make accidentals, and the palette is really just for courtesy accidetnals and other accidentals that can't be created normally. So they get courtesy accidentals where they meant to create regular ones. I know that was very unclear to me when I started. To some extent, documentation could clarify this, but I wonder if the labelling of the palette couldn't also be changed to so ehow clarify this?

This is how the behavious should manifest:

If I'm in f as a key and I have 2 d flats one after the other, and I apply a "natural" to the first one, after I also apply "natural" to the second one, it should NO LONGER show the actual "natural" sign before it as the "natural" of the first d already implies that the second d will also be natural, hence the uselessness of the second "natural" sign appearing before the 2nd d.

Phew, it's hard to word these things, I've been used to them for a lifetime in scores, and, I consider this to be inherent standard behaviour in music notation software, I've been used to it for a life time.

Marc, I wrote an other reply to better express what I was trying to say.

I do not find that using the arrow keys to modify pitch is productive enough, I expressed my thoughts on the best way of doing that in my other reply.

Status (old) needs info by design

The palette is for courtesy accidentals, arrow keys for actually changing pitch, and both work as they should in this respect.