Change number of staves on a single page
Hello,
Is it possible in a new version to make it possible to add or to remove a stave on a single page / pages?
For example see the attached jpg-file. It is a music part for organ. So first I will need two staves and then for the next system I need three staves. I would like to change this whenever it is necessary. That would be nice in an new version!
With kind regards,
Jaco Kapteijn
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Prepare a new score, with three staves, and then hide the empty ones from
Style → Edit General Style.
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I attach a small example
In reply to Welcome, by Shoichi
Thank you Shoichi for the example. But if I try it myself, I can’t manage it. If I choose for ‘hide the empty ones’ they won’t disappear. I have chosen for the Organ and then three staves. I have attached my Test file.
In reply to Thanks by Jaco Kapteijn
Hmmm, this is because the staves all belong to the same instrument, so they would all need to be empty. Instead try this:
1. Turn off Hide Empty Staves
2. Goto Create/Instrments and add a new Organ instrument, removing the two top staves (1 and 2) of this new one
3. Copy the pedal line to the new instrument
4. Go back to Instruments and remove the third (bass) staff of the first organ instrument.
5. Now clean up the score (remove instrument name(s) and bracket)
In reply to Thanks by Jaco Kapteijn
delete the third;
add new instrument (keyboard);
deletes the stave treble clef of the second instrument.
In reply to Thanks by Jaco Kapteijn
"Hide empty staves" actually is "Hide unused Instruments" ...
In reply to "Hide empty staves" vs. "Hide unused Instruments" by Jojo-Schmitz
Anyone else would agree to change this string?
In reply to Anyone else would agree to by [DELETED] 5
Maybe "hide empty accolades", but I think this isn't understood better than 'instruments?
Or is there any good english term for the staves that belong to a single Instrument (usually just one, but e.g. 2 for keyboard and 3 for organ)
Or maybe better change MuseScore's behavoir to actually match the 'Hide empty staves' expectations?
Whatever: this problem/missunderstanding is happening quite frequently, so something should be done about it
In reply to Anyone else would agree to by [DELETED] 5
In 2.0 builds, it seems it really *is* "hide emoty staves" - that is, Museascore will hide an empty staff within a piano grand staff within a score if you let it. To me, that's great - save me from having to write piano parts as two separate instruments just to get that behavior, which is kind of the norm for jazz scores / lead sheets. But others might find this surprising. I think it should be a style option:
X Hide empty instruments
X Hide empty staves within instruments
In reply to In 2.0 builds, it seems it by Marc Sabatella
Hmm, then with the former matching 1.x's "hide empty staves" for 1.x scores and the latter to be off by default for 1.x scores and on for 2.0 ones.
In reply to In 2.0 builds, it seems it by Marc Sabatella
"In 2.0 builds, it seems it really *is* "hide empty staves" - that is, Musescore will hide an empty staff within a piano grand staff within a score if you let it."
Marc, I don't think so, unless I'm not understanding you correct. I setup a score with a piano and some extra instruments (flute, piano, recorder, horn in F), added some notes to various instruments across various staves and enabled Hide Empty Staves. I intentionally left the piano bass staff on the first system empty, the piano treble stave on the second system empty and the third system had both piano staves empty. When Hide Empty Staves was enabled, the first system still had both piano staves, the second system now incorrectly had the piano treble stave missing, and the piano bracket was on the flute instrument (which now had a treble and bass clef) and the third system correct had no piano staves at all.
In reply to "In 2.0 builds, it seems it by schepers
There is another Setting, 'Show on 1st system' or the like
In reply to There is another Setting, by Jojo-Schmitz
"There is another Setting, 'Show on 1st system' or the like".
But that only controls the first system. I've not seen what Marc is referring to.
In reply to "In 2.0 builds, it seems it by schepers
As mentioned above, the first system gets handled specially. Without seeing your score, it's hard to say what else might be going on - presumably a bug? - but in the score I just created, Hide Aempty Staves definitely hid empty staves within the piano part with no ill effects. Can't say if that was intentional or not, but it did work as I wanted.
If there is to be an option to control this, indeed, it needs to be off by default for 1.X scores. Could be off for all scores as far as I am concerned; I am ot saying the default needs to change. I'd be happy to have to turn that option on myself (and/or build it into my templates).
In reply to As mentioned above, the first by Marc Sabatella
Marc, try my instructions above. My score was a simple test and was easy enough to show the bug and that the piano staves do not hide correctly.
Note I am using the nightly build (not the latest).
In reply to Marc, try my instructions by schepers
>I intentionally left the piano bass staff on the first system empty, the piano treble stave on the second system empty and the third system had both piano staves empty. When Hide Empty Staves was enabled, the first system still had both piano staves,
Which most probably is due to the Default Setting of 'Show on 1st system' and as such correct
> the second system now incorrectly had the piano treble stave missing,
How is that incorrect? You left it empty, didn't you?
>and the piano bracket was on the flute instrument (which now had a treble and bass clef)
This is clearly wrong though
>and the third system correct had no piano staves at all.
Which is what you wanted.
In reply to >I intentionally left the by Jojo-Schmitz
Ah, thank you, I missed that "not on the first system" setting. So yes it does hide the unused staves of multi-stave instruments, but there's lots of bugs in it. The test score I just made has misplaced instrument name, misplaced bracket for the piano, bar lines that now span 3 staves, missing instrument name, missing bar lines from the piano, etc. I wonder if this whole "feature" is just one big bug because it certainly has too many issues.
In reply to Ah, thank you, I missed that by schepers
Can you attach your sample score? Because I don't see the issue with mine
In reply to Can you attach your sample by Jojo-Schmitz
Sure, but if you look closely, your score has some of the issues I pointed out: missing instrument name, misplaced (slightly) instrument name, and you have some extraneous lines below the last system.
In reply to Sure, but if you look by schepers
The extraneous lines below the last System are just left entirle empty, MuseScore showed them that way evrr since
I don't see the wrong bracked you talked about though
Bit yes the misplaced Piano in one and entirely missing in another line is there.
In reply to The extraneous lines below by Jojo-Schmitz
I think the bracket corrects itself on reload, and so is only a visual thing. The extra lines are a bug as well, regardless of how long MS has done that. It still shows on a reload of the score.
I know I will be adding invisible notes if I ever have a staff in a piano/organ/name-your-multi-staff-instrument so they don't disappear as that seems wrong, unless I want it that way. I would only expect entire instrument lines to disappear.
In reply to I think the bracket corrects by schepers
You score definitly shows more problems then mine
Are you going to submit it in the issue tracker?
In reply to Marc, try my instructions by schepers
I'm away from my computer today, but wonder if the reason some scores are worse than others is that the more problematic ones have the top staff hidden? That was always the caveat in 1.x - the feature worked fine if you were hiding anything the top staff. Otherwise all hell broke loose. Some of those bugs have been fixed as I recall, but maybe that's the source of what you are seeing?
In reply to I'm away from my computer by Marc Sabatella
None of the tests I've been trying have the top staff hidden. My scores are randomly chosen instruments, add notes in desired way and then see what stays and what goes when Hide Empty Staves is enabled.
the opinion of an end user:
"Hide unused Instruments" is probably more adherent to the behavior of MuseScore.
You could, however, improve the handbook (or explain it in the next edition) and in the meantime, if there is someone of good will, prepare another "how to".
Cordiali saluti, Franz.