Voicing
Voicing is not working the way it did in the old version. Now, when I use separate voices, the stems are connected. I want one voice with the stems down and the other with the stems up. When I try flipping the stems on one voice, it flips the stem for both voices. What's up?
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I believe what's up is that you're not using voices, you're using chords. Can you attach the score you're having problems with here?
Also, FWIW, if you try using voices 1 & 3, then both will have stems up - you need 1 & 2 (or any other combination of odd & even) to get opposing stem. But even if you were using 1 & 3, fliping one stem wouldn't flip the other. So I'm inclined to agree with Zack's guess - it sounds like you aren't using voices at all. Nothing really changed about how any of this works.
In reply to Also, FWIW, if you try using by Marc Sabatella
I am resuming work on the Schoenberg files. At #208, I first entered the chords, but in the second half of measure three he introduces voicing in the bass claf. So I clicked the 2 button to get a second voice, and it showed in a different color for that voice, green, I think, so I know I am using voicing. But it automatically flipped the stem upward on the bass voice when I flipped the tenor upwards.
In reply to I am resuming work on the by Joe H
You might have pressed the voice 2 button at some time, but perhaps you forgot you have to do that while in note input mode or it gets reset to voice 1 when you enter note input mode? Or perhaps you inadvertently did something else to switch back to voice 1. Anyhow, there are no notes in voice 2 anywhere in that entire score, as you can see by click on any note you think is in voice 2 and checking its color, the state of the voice icons, or the status bar.
In reply to You might have pressed the by Marc Sabatella
Or use the 'Color Voices' plugin
In reply to Or use the 'Color Voices' by Jojo-Schmitz
I removed all of the second voiced notes beginning in the second half of measure three of #208, because the stems were being flipped. I agree that, if nothing has changed, I must be doing something wrong. You might want to try adding a tenor note above the bass note in that last half of the third measure. Can you do that and get the bass with a downward stem and the tenor with an upward stem? Because I'm not able to do that.
In reply to I removed all of the second by Joe H
WAIT! Should I not have clicked on the measure to get the second voice? Because I clicked on the note to get the second voice. I will try that now.
YEP - That is it. Now I feel really dumb.
In reply to WAIT! Should I not have by Joe H
You should feel clever instead, because you learned something today ;-)
In reply to You should feel clever by Jojo-Schmitz
Huh - I actually felt smarter when I was dumber. :)
In reply to I removed all of the second by Joe H
Another thing - those bass notes are already in voice 1. That is wrong - they should be in voice 2. It's the *tenor* you want in voice 1. Otherwise the stems will be backward from what you want. You want the tenor in voice 1, bass in voice 2.
You can move those bass notes to voice 2 by selecting the range you want to affect, then going to Edit / Voices / Exchange Voice 1-2. This works in both 1.3 and 2.0. In 2.0, there is additionally the possibility of simply pressing the voice 2 button while those notes are selected (ie, while *not* in note input mode), and the selected notes will be moved to voice 2 if possible. This only works if there isn't already something there.
But for instance try this: click the "G" in the bass voice in the middle of the third measure of 208, then click the "voice 2" button in the toolbar. The note is moved to voice 2.
In reply to Another thing - those bass by Marc Sabatella
How does this look? I ran into a collision along the way but was able to manage it. It looks right, anyway.
In reply to How does this look? I ran by Joe H
Still a few notes in the wrong voices with manually flipped stems. corrected in attachment
In reply to How does this look? I ran by Joe H
Your voices are consistently backwards - you have the top voice as 2, bottom as 1. That's why you had to manually adjust the stems.
Also, you shouldn't be using time signatures. You should be setting the "actual" duration in Measure Properties. That way the time signatures don't show, and you don't need to constantly create new time signatures. 2.0 provides a new feature to make this process much easier. Just enter the whole notes as separate measures, then select them and go to Edit / Measure / Join Measures. MuseScore does the rest for you. Huge time saver on things like this, plus it will look much better.
In reply to Your voices are consistently by Marc Sabatella
OK. Thanks. I'll try to review those last posts and practice what you say in the next few days. Better to get it right at the start, than to get the whole thing finished without being clean and clear.
In reply to OK. Thanks. I'll try to by Joe H
I found the Exchange Voices under Edit. That is understandable. I also see Measures there under Edit, but do not see any way to edit Measure Properties. Each example changes time. One has 8 whole notes and another has 5 whole notes, another has 2 half notes, another 7 whole notes, etc.
In reply to I found the Exchange Voices by Joe H
Measure Properties in the the right click menu for a measure. But again, you don't even need that any more with 2.0 - just use the Join Measures command. It does the work for you. For example, have a score in 4/4, enter 3 measures of whole notes. Select those three measures, then go to Edit / Measure / Join Measures. Those three measures are automatically converted to one measure whose actual duration is set to 12/4 (as can be verified if you go to Measure Properties). Thus, you don't have to create any custom time signatures, don't have to open any dialogs, don't even have to count the beats yourself. If you go to Edit / Preferences / Shortcuts, you can even define a shortcut for this oepration since you'll presumably be using it a ton.
I'm doing better at voicing now. I wonder if I should start with a new file for the next examples in Schoenberg. But measure properties may take me some time to understand. If someone were to set up a new score with the correct measure properties, I can get back to transcribing.
Or maybe it would be better to wait and see if I get it? Should I start with a new file? Or should I use the last file you posted and try changing the measure properties myself?
What is Join Measures? Will it work for all of the odd times I am trnscribing?
In reply to I'm doing better at voicing by Joe H
I do think it woud be best to start with a new file, but it's your call.
As I said, in 2.0, you don't even have to mess with measure properties at all. Simply enter whole notes normally - into an ordinary 4/4 measure, no extra time signatures or measure properties needed - then select the measures yuou wish to combine and go to Edit / Measure / Join Measures.
In reply to I do think it woud be best to by Marc Sabatella
Assuming you don't need anything that's not a multiple of 4/4.
In reply to Assuming you don't need by Isaac Weiss
True. In those cases, you would also use Split Measure.
If I have voiced two lines on the treble clef, and want to copy and paste only one of those lines to the bass clef, can I do so?
In reply to If I have voiced two lines on by Joe H
Yes, simply deselect the voice you wish to suppress in View / Selection Filter before copying, or use the converse approach to delete the unwanted voice after copying.