If you delete a rest and change your mind later, the rest is no more there, and so you can't show it again.
That's why it's better make the rest invisible.
There are technical reasons to have a complete timeline of notes/rests. The current rule is that voice 1 has to be complete and does not allow to delete rests. There are no reasons to not allow the deletion of rests in voice 2-4.
Please keep in mind that in MuseScore "voices" are not necessarily musical voices. Its a mechanism for typesetting different time lines. I see voices in two contexts: If a measure has more than one musical voice, the timeline of all voices should be complete which means that rests should not be deleted. But if voices are used to typeset something like a chord with notes of different duration (see Promenade example) then filling the measure with rests is confusing. Marking rests as invisible is an option but in simple contexts i would prefer to actually delete them.
I just looked at this post again (incase you thought I was rude). When I said I wanted someone experienced, it wasn't aimed at you Miwarre - I was just talking generally :).
None of these questions address the issue I'm having. I'm using Mac OS if that makes any difference. Everything works fine except that rests remain in the measure underneath the notes and they won't go away even after highlighting them and using Cmd-X (That is the only way I've discovered to "delete" anything so far).
When the blank score is set up, each measure contains a whole rest, as it should, but sometimes they delete themselves after notes are entered and sometimes they don't. Also, other rests that appear while entering notes (a quarter rest, for example, when there's still one beat remaining in the measure) remain under the placed notes. The only thing I can do is drag all the errant rests to the bottom of the page.
One of the other posts mentioned hiding rests. How is that done?
One of the other posts mentioned hiding rests. How is that done?
Select the rest, right-click, Set Invisible.
As for the other issues, I think you need to give us more detail. Are you using multiple voices? Are the rests that "remain under the placed notes" perhaps in a different voice? When you select a note, the square of colored boxes will tell you which voice it's in, though it can be hard to see which one is highlighted. As someone pointed out in this thread, "voices" in MuseScore refer to multiple lines within a staff and are mainly a typesetting convention and do not generally correspond to musical voices.
I would be nice, if note entry wouldn't omit previously deleted rests but overwrite them with new notes.
No solution for deleted rests at the beginning of the piece.
I also think that it's better to have deletable rests (for all except the first voice), this is easier to handle than hiding them and your score looks better :-)
I'm trying to start a score in 3/4 time with two quavers on the third beat before starting the next bar. For some reason Muse wants to put a crochet rest after the quavers. I've tried deleting the rest or moving it in front of the quavers, but it makes no difference. When the score is played it still puts a rest after the quavers before beginning the next bar.
To expand on that, you'd do this in the New Score wizard on creating the score, but if you neglected to do so, you can still right click the measure, select measure properties, and set the 'actual' time signature to 1/4.
I'll just bump this older thread, to ask what the current plans are regarding deletion of rests.
I only now realize that I probably should not have been deleting rests in secondary voices. However, hidden rests still take up a lot of confusing visual space in a busy measure, and can make editing difficult.
Here are a few ideas/wishes related to the topic:
1. Either a) let me reinsert deleted rests, or b) have note entry mode place notes after the last entered note, rather than skipping ahead over any deleted rests. (b) is like what happens when using note entry on a measure with no notes in a particular voice; so this would seem intuitive behavior within a measure as well.
2. Consider changing a rest-delete operation to a 'set invisible' -- i.e. if I hit the delete key, make the rest invisible. Using the delete key with rests is intuitive -- typically it combines the rest in question with the next rest in the measure. It's not always obvious that the rest being combined this way is in fact the last rest in the measure, and thus subject to actual deletion. I'd say this is how most of my deleted rests arise.
3. Consider, by default, shifting deleted rests above or below the staff, so that they are out of the way of the content which (presumably) they were obscuring in the first place.
I should mention that my deleted rests often arise in situations where I'm rearranging some complex material, shifting notes from one voice to another, adding triplets in one voice but not another, etc., and in the process I am inserting and deleting lots of notes trying to achieve the most pleasing visual result. In other words they are usually a temporary artifact of editing rather than a deliberate engraving objective. (This echoes the discussions we've had about the potential usefulness of an 'editing mode' in which the user could create an arbitrary series of notes of any durations, free of normal temporal rules, which upon completion could then be pasted into a normal MS measure. This would eliminate 90% of the cases where I wind up with deleted rests.)
I don't know anything about future plans, but can clarify a couple of things about the status quote, at least with respect to the eventually-upcoming 2.0:
- hidden rests can be truly hidden via the Display option if you find the presence of the greyed-out placeholder distracting (this is true already; no need to wait until 2.0)
- 2.0 does already automatically adjust vertical position of rests in a mutli-voice context
- 2.0 also now has a keyboard shortcut (!) for hiding rests, making note entry of these types of parts where hidden rests makes musical sense much easier
> hidden rests can be truly hidden via the Display option if you find the presence
> of the greyed-out placeholder distracting (this is true already; no need to wait until 2.0)
Understood; but again there are two distinct usage contexts: a) while working with a fairly complete score, in which case it's best for hidden features to appear in grey as they do by default; b) while editing a complex multi-voice phrase where the hidden features can be confusing during the editing process.
[Perhaps this context will clarify the appeal of my "dream interface": A keyboard shortcut that would zoom to a "measure editor" window, in which one manipulates the content of one measure (better: three adjacent measures). It would include a "Note sketch" mode analogous to "Note entry" in which I can place any note of any duration in any voice at any point in a measure, without considering temporal issues -- a kind of macro editor. At the end of "sketching" the content would then be validated one note at a time, flagging any timing conflicts. At the end of using the "measure editor" the content would finally replace the original source material from the actual MS document. I find myself describing this concept, again, because it reflects the way I use MS the most: As an interactive tool to capture and manipulate changing ideas, as opposed to a purely typographic/production tool applied to a finished manuscript.]
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Putting in the place they occupied what?
M.
In reply to ? by Miwarre
Sorry:
"Should you be allowed to delete rests of secondary voices?"
Perhaps you should, but I wanted someone experienced to inform me properly of notation rules.
In reply to Sorry: "Should you be allowed by chen lung
If you delete a rest and change your mind later, the rest is no more there, and so you can't show it again.
That's why it's better make the rest invisible.
In reply to If you delete a rest and by [DELETED] 5
OK.
Can we then remove the function to delete it?
I'm sure there's a few other elements of the score in which you shouldn't be able to delete.
In reply to OK. Can we then remove the by chen lung
"Can we then remove the function to delete it?"
Where do you find the function to delete a rest? I can't seem to find it.
In reply to OK. Can we then remove the by chen lung
There are technical reasons to have a complete timeline of notes/rests. The current rule is that voice 1 has to be complete and does not allow to delete rests. There are no reasons to not allow the deletion of rests in voice 2-4.
Please keep in mind that in MuseScore "voices" are not necessarily musical voices. Its a mechanism for typesetting different time lines. I see voices in two contexts: If a measure has more than one musical voice, the timeline of all voices should be complete which means that rests should not be deleted. But if voices are used to typeset something like a chord with notes of different duration (see Promenade example) then filling the measure with rests is confusing. Marking rests as invisible is an option but in simple contexts i would prefer to actually delete them.
In reply to Sorry: "Should you be allowed by chen lung
I just looked at this post again (incase you thought I was rude). When I said I wanted someone experienced, it wasn't aimed at you Miwarre - I was just talking generally :).
"Where do you find the function to delete a rest? I can't seem to find it."
Just delete the second voice as normal, or by cut :).
Thanks Werner - I'm more confidant in my use of it now. The only problem with deleting them is if you want them back (making a mistake).
In reply to "Where do you find the by chen lung
None of these questions address the issue I'm having. I'm using Mac OS if that makes any difference. Everything works fine except that rests remain in the measure underneath the notes and they won't go away even after highlighting them and using Cmd-X (That is the only way I've discovered to "delete" anything so far).
When the blank score is set up, each measure contains a whole rest, as it should, but sometimes they delete themselves after notes are entered and sometimes they don't. Also, other rests that appear while entering notes (a quarter rest, for example, when there's still one beat remaining in the measure) remain under the placed notes. The only thing I can do is drag all the errant rests to the bottom of the page.
One of the other posts mentioned hiding rests. How is that done?
I'd appreciate any guidance.
Thanks,
John
In reply to Cannot Delete Rests by jdart3000
One of the other posts mentioned hiding rests. How is that done?
Select the rest, right-click, Set Invisible.
As for the other issues, I think you need to give us more detail. Are you using multiple voices? Are the rests that "remain under the placed notes" perhaps in a different voice? When you select a note, the square of colored boxes will tell you which voice it's in, though it can be hard to see which one is highlighted. As someone pointed out in this thread, "voices" in MuseScore refer to multiple lines within a staff and are mainly a typesetting convention and do not generally correspond to musical voices.
Edward
Sorry, I was unaware of this thread, so I posted a bug report with about it with a similar description.
http://musescore.org/en/node/9808
Short summary:
I would be nice, if note entry wouldn't omit previously deleted rests but overwrite them with new notes.
No solution for deleted rests at the beginning of the piece.
I also think that it's better to have deletable rests (for all except the first voice), this is easier to handle than hiding them and your score looks better :-)
In reply to redundancy by fnbecker
Deleting rest wouldn't be easdier than hiding it if there were a keyboard shortcut for hiding things. That's all I think is needed here.
Proposed feature: You could right-click the bar and reinstate deleted rests for each voice (in the places notes don't occupy).
I'm trying to start a score in 3/4 time with two quavers on the third beat before starting the next bar. For some reason Muse wants to put a crochet rest after the quavers. I've tried deleting the rest or moving it in front of the quavers, but it makes no difference. When the score is played it still puts a rest after the quavers before beginning the next bar.
In reply to Deleting or removing a rest by TimRoss
Have you set up an anacrusis (pickup measure)??
In reply to Have you set up an anacrusis by ChurchOrganist
To expand on that, you'd do this in the New Score wizard on creating the score, but if you neglected to do so, you can still right click the measure, select measure properties, and set the 'actual' time signature to 1/4.
I'll just bump this older thread, to ask what the current plans are regarding deletion of rests.
I only now realize that I probably should not have been deleting rests in secondary voices. However, hidden rests still take up a lot of confusing visual space in a busy measure, and can make editing difficult.
Here are a few ideas/wishes related to the topic:
1. Either a) let me reinsert deleted rests, or b) have note entry mode place notes after the last entered note, rather than skipping ahead over any deleted rests. (b) is like what happens when using note entry on a measure with no notes in a particular voice; so this would seem intuitive behavior within a measure as well.
2. Consider changing a rest-delete operation to a 'set invisible' -- i.e. if I hit the delete key, make the rest invisible. Using the delete key with rests is intuitive -- typically it combines the rest in question with the next rest in the measure. It's not always obvious that the rest being combined this way is in fact the last rest in the measure, and thus subject to actual deletion. I'd say this is how most of my deleted rests arise.
3. Consider, by default, shifting deleted rests above or below the staff, so that they are out of the way of the content which (presumably) they were obscuring in the first place.
I should mention that my deleted rests often arise in situations where I'm rearranging some complex material, shifting notes from one voice to another, adding triplets in one voice but not another, etc., and in the process I am inserting and deleting lots of notes trying to achieve the most pleasing visual result. In other words they are usually a temporary artifact of editing rather than a deliberate engraving objective. (This echoes the discussions we've had about the potential usefulness of an 'editing mode' in which the user could create an arbitrary series of notes of any durations, free of normal temporal rules, which upon completion could then be pasted into a normal MS measure. This would eliminate 90% of the cases where I wind up with deleted rests.)
In reply to Status of rest deletion? by spinality
I don't know anything about future plans, but can clarify a couple of things about the status quote, at least with respect to the eventually-upcoming 2.0:
- hidden rests can be truly hidden via the Display option if you find the presence of the greyed-out placeholder distracting (this is true already; no need to wait until 2.0)
- 2.0 does already automatically adjust vertical position of rests in a mutli-voice context
- 2.0 also now has a keyboard shortcut (!) for hiding rests, making note entry of these types of parts where hidden rests makes musical sense much easier
In reply to I don't know anything about by Marc Sabatella
> hidden rests can be truly hidden via the Display option if you find the presence
> of the greyed-out placeholder distracting (this is true already; no need to wait until 2.0)
Understood; but again there are two distinct usage contexts: a) while working with a fairly complete score, in which case it's best for hidden features to appear in grey as they do by default; b) while editing a complex multi-voice phrase where the hidden features can be confusing during the editing process.
[Perhaps this context will clarify the appeal of my "dream interface": A keyboard shortcut that would zoom to a "measure editor" window, in which one manipulates the content of one measure (better: three adjacent measures). It would include a "Note sketch" mode analogous to "Note entry" in which I can place any note of any duration in any voice at any point in a measure, without considering temporal issues -- a kind of macro editor. At the end of "sketching" the content would then be validated one note at a time, flagging any timing conflicts. At the end of using the "measure editor" the content would finally replace the original source material from the actual MS document. I find myself describing this concept, again, because it reflects the way I use MS the most: As an interactive tool to capture and manipulate changing ideas, as opposed to a purely typographic/production tool applied to a finished manuscript.]