Best way to go from song to sheet?

• Jul 5, 2016 - 04:02

I've tried the MIDI > sheet idea and it comes out as musical gibberish. I've tried ScoreCloud and AnthemScore and those miss notes and write down wrong durations. Do any of you have any other suggestions?

There's a Scottish reel I'm interested in, and the sheet music is out there, but there's usually just the melody/chorus and that's it. (I have a version with an introduction, but it's a really short intro.) Trouble is, I have a version that I found on a CD with a nice intro to it, but I can't find the sheet music!

(Plus a couple newer Enya songs that I like but there doesn't seem to be sheets for.)


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The standard way, and only good way in my opinion, is to use pen and paper and a piano.
Work your way through the song, using pause-rewind-play on your CD-player. Or if you have an ogg/mp3 file, use something like Audacity where you can play short segments on repeat until you find them on your piano.

If you have never done this before, it will be a slow process at first, but it is the only good way. And you will learn a lot, and it will go much quicker after a few songs.

/Andreas

In reply to by DRyelle

On the contrary, I think that people who can transcribe songs by ear still have lots of use for MuseScore. MuseScore is at this point mostly a tool for engraving, and does not have much in the way of specific features for transcription. So they would
1. Transcribe the song using pen/paper/pionao/Audacity etc
2. Engrave to beautiful, easy to read, printed music using MuseScore.

I'm used to transcribing music by hear since a long time ago, so I think you have already been given the best available suggestion. Nevertheless, I think you could find it REALLY useful a tool like Transcribe! from SeventhString.

In reply to by Aldo

Sounds a little like AnthemScore. I don't think it changes pitch like Transcribe, but it has a visualizer and names the notes that are being played.

Of course, seeing the Transcribe site might be useful for all the software suggestions. So maybe I'll figure something out someday...

You do not need pencil and paper and you do not need a real piano. MuseScore has a "Piano Keyboard" feature that lets you press on the virtual keys and hear the sound - great way to work out a song if you don't have a real instrument handy and even if you feel that you are no good at it to begin with you will, in all likelihood, learn and get good at it.

As above. The old ways are the best :)

Pencil, paper and piano, or direct software using the keyboard onscreen (perhaps more fiddley if you are usrd to using pencil & paper)

Transcribe is pretty good - can help to slow down the fast passages.

AS it happens I am in the middle of engraving some Irish tin whistle melodies ( I have several projects on the go!) but I would be interested in taking on the Transcription work if you want.

I have one more suggestion for the OP, as regards using MuseScore to engrave the music contained in a MIDI file.

The "trick" is load the MIDI file in a MIDI editing program and edit it in order to make it good for importing. What do I mean by "good for importing"? Well, let's see.

1. quantize note on with mathematical accuracy

2. quantize not off as well, keeping in mind that the musician who reads a score adds lots of "virtual rests" by himself according to the meaning of music, and that those rests (if explicitly written) make sheet music a mess

3. MuseScore is not that good in importing tuplets via MIDI -- sometimes leaving them "out of the way" and adding them by hand in a further step is a better choice than having to correct a bad import

4. get rid of any pitch bending data and substitute them with "real" MIDI notes (MuseScore does not transcribe MIDI pitch bending)

5. split each voice on a different MIDI channel, THEN (if needed) join the channels on a single staff in MuseScore

The resulting MIDI file will sound horrible, but it will import much better from a notational point of view. Give these suggestions a try and let me know the results!

In reply to by Aldo

6. Realize that the OP has no clue how to do any of that and that you probably ought to point her to a site for that sort of thing, so long as the instructions aren't too complicated. (And remember that she's bad at math.) [Hee hee]

In reply to by DRyelle

Hi. The reality is that music and especially its "capture" is a highly skilled, complex matter. The ability to deal with it in an efficient manner takes a great deal of work over a good deal of time.

If all you want is a particular piece, you are better off hiring someone capable to do it.

If you want to gain mastery, welcome to the struggle and good luck. It is as thrilling as it is frustrating, and provides great personal satisfaction. If you are wanting a career, understand that there is little money in it for the vast majority, and great riches for a very few.

There is no real shortcut, just more specific tools, and you have to learn how to use them.

Regards,

In reply to by DRyelle

Not sure why you say wouldn't be using MuseScore - it's actually an extremely popular choice among professional musicians these days. Especially emerging professionals. Old-timers were forced to buy expensive commercial programs back in the day did so and many stick with what they know, but unless you are going into the engraving business specifically, MuseScore is more than sufficient for the needs of most professions.

I like jotting my ideas down in musescore. I find the notes either on a melodica and then go to musescore or I open musescore and find the notes. If I'm not sure, I just enter a random note and then move it up or down with the arrow keys. I stop when I hit what sounds like a correct pitch. I play around with the rhythms of the passage until they approximate what I want.

But, if you are really serious about transcribing your ideas accurately, it helps to study Theory. A good knowledge of Harmony can help you navigate a tune because certain musical occurrences are likely to lead to other certain outcomes. If your tune is in the key of C minor, it helps to know the notes of a C minor chord because that chord will feature prominently and your melody is likely to follow that contour. Then there are common chord progressions, and common rhythms that are used. A knowledge of the musical vocabulary is essential.

You might want to study the songs of one of your favorite artist to see what they do. Chances are that you are doing something similar, because you've heard it before from them!

In reply to by xavierjazz

Considering I've been out of grade school for thirteen years at this point--and therefore no longer have exposure to music education five days a week/nine months a year--I can no longer (aurally) identify notes. Since I don't plan to transcribe professionally (and barely transpose for fun anymore), your maxim of "practice, practice, practice" is pointless, pointless, pointless!

Also, as far as "you asked"-- yeah, EIGHT MONTHS AGO! This is a necroed thread and I'm honestly surprised a mod hasn't come by to lock it yet!

In reply to by DRyelle

I don't think there is an expiry date on Musescore posts, particularly those in the general discussion forum? Plus, other people may find the on-going suggestions helpful. Discussing how to go from "song to sheet" is a worthy topic for continued discussion. For others who may be interested, Anthemscore outputs to Musescore. However, it doesn't seem sensitive enough to pickup the complex rhythms in the songs I tested. But it may work quite well for classical works, etc. Also, Anthemscore is much more affordable than other programs such as Melodyne.

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

And I am grateful for that. The supportive, relaxed forum--is a part of what makes Musescore and its community so great. No one should feel reluctant about asking questions, or taking the time to contribute (even if the post is a few months old). Each post is not just for the original poster, but for all those who may have similar questions or suggestions. And Music is all about bringing people together, which is what the forums do.

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