nugging(adjusting) a dotted note
Is it still not possible to adjust the position of the dot when using a dotted note?
This is particularly annoying when two dotted notes have a second as interval.
Joe.
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You mean something like
![dottedsecondchord.png]( "dottedsecondchord.png")
?
They share a common stem, so belong to same voice and are of same lengh, what more would one need to know?
In reply to You mean something like by Jojo-Schmitz
That's still technically incorrect. Both crotchets should have a dot.
In keyboard music you do sometimes find notes of differing lengths sharing the same stem.
Be interesting to see Lilypond's output for this.
In reply to That's still technically by ChurchOrganist
Well, I've learned (here in the MusScore forum) that notes of different length require to be on different voices (and hence not share a stem?)
In reply to Well, I've learned (here in by Jojo-Schmitz
Sure that is the modern rule which is what I personally adhere to, however in the past music publishers didn't always adhere to this.
The other area where you may find differing note lengths on the same stem is in classical guitar music, where often the reduction to a single stave requires compromises which otherwise would be unacceptable.
Anyway, the ability to nudge a dot is highly desirable - sometimes the addition of a voice obscures a previously placed dot.
In reply to You mean something like by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes Jojo, that is exactly what I mean. Alright because they share the same stem they belong to
the same voice. It is only to avoid any misunderstanding that I wanted those two dots.
But again, you are right. Thanks for your response.
Joe.
In reply to Yes Jojo, that is exactly by JoeAlders
Even if they share the same stem, if the note values are different, they are by definition different voices musically, and that is how they would be entered in MuseScore. Enter the voices independently, since that's what they truly are from a musical standpoint, then if you really need to use this particular non-standard notation style, flip the stems manually as necessary.
And while it is not usually recommended, yes, you *will* sometimes see this notation used in older manuscripts, and especially in classical guitar, where the deaire to represent everything with a single staff sometimes requires various handstands that would not otherwise be used.
In reply to Even if they share the same by Marc Sabatella
doing what you describes makes them appaer to use the same stem, but they really don't, one stem is just shadowing the other.
2 notes with differently lenght can share a stem, not in MuseScore
In reply to doing what you describes by Jojo-Schmitz
I don't understand the difference you are trying to describe. So what if it is not technically one stem, but rather two stems that are indistinguishable from one because they overlap? As I said, these *are* two different voices musically; how would even event the other ores in the measure if not as two separate independent voices. The mere fact that for one instant with the measure two notes in two different voices happen to occur at the same time, and you happen for some as yet unexplained reason want them to share a stem, doesn't change the act hat these *are* two separate independent voices. Yes, it takes a special series of operations to create this non-standard but occasionally-used effect (notes two independent voices appearing to share a single stem), and that is as it should be IMHO.
In reply to I don't understand the by Marc Sabatella
Whatever: this doesn't seem to work too well either:
![dottedsecondchord003.png]( "dottedsecondchord003.png")
In reply to Whatever: this doesn't seem by Jojo-Schmitz
I think these may address the issues in that image to an extent?
#15434: Incorrect positioning of augmentation dots (added comment linking to your post)
#16704: Flipping stem direction of multi-voice interval note upstem flips to the wrong side
In reply to You mean something like by Jojo-Schmitz
when I tried to write the same.... see enclosed
XP
Muse 1.2
regards
ph
In reply to i had no problem.. by ph
Interesting, indeed it works, sometimes:
![dottedsecondchord002.png]( "dottedsecondchord002.png")
In reply to i had no problem.. by ph
O.K. it works for you. But can you please tell me how you did this?
Joe.
In reply to O.K. it works for you. But by JoeAlders
It seems to depend on which note is on and which is between lines. With Note left of stem being on a line it doesn't have a dot, onliy it's companion, if it is between lines both have dots? Not too sure about it, needs more investigation
In reply to It seems to depend on which by Jojo-Schmitz
It could be that the dot would be obscured by the line.
(or, when all else fails, cheat). You can add a different type of dot - MuseScore allows you several ways to cheat here. One way is to make your stack of dotted notes and then make them staccato - you only get one extra dot this way but MuseScore will let you move it around. Another is to add some text, or lyrics to the note and place a full-stop here (setting it maybe to 18-point or so).
In reply to When is a dot not a dot? by underquark
You can also get the dot from the Z palette (Create -> Symbols)
lasconic, this is by far the simplest way to solve this problem
is m.h.o.
I do not now how difficult it is to program the nugging possibility of
a dot but can this be implemented in the 2.0 version?
Joe.
In reply to lasconic, this is by far the by JoeAlders
Dots are already "nudgeable" in 2.0. Double click and arrow keys.
Next effort would be to make it work automatically in most cases.
In reply to Dots are already "nudgeable" by [DELETED] 5
O.K. I have to wait until 2.0 is released or is this version
already as 'beta' available?
In reply to O.K. I have to wait until 2.0 by JoeAlders
2.0 is availbale from the Nightly Build section of the Download page