Video tutorials for MuseScore 2
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to discuss documentation for MuseScore 2 - if not boot me back into the Technology Preview forum :)
It seems to me that the basic UI for MuseScore 2 is now stable enough for us to start thinking about replacing the existing Video tutorials for MuseScore 1.x with new ones using the MuseScore 2 UI.
First and foremost we are going to need replacements for Katy Wardrobe's suite of beginners' videos: MuseScore in 10 easy steps.
I have the technology to record the screen capture (with sound) and edit the final videos, but I can only speak English well enough for voice overs, and it seems to me, with the expansion of user nationalities that it would be very useful to have voiceovers in different languages.
I always write a script before I do the English voiceover on my videos, so that would be available for you to translate into your native language - this will provide some consistency throughout the different language versions.
If you would be willing to provide a voiceover in your native language, please contact me, either here or through my MuseScore account.
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I might be able to talk my brother into doing the German voice over, this is his profession (http://oliverschmitz.com)
In reply to I might be able to talk my by Jojo-Schmitz
I can help doing the Hindi voice over.
In reply to Voiceover for Hindi by shredpub
Hey Schredpub, how do you feel like translating musescore.org into Hindi?
As a result, search engines would bring more Hindi users to MuseScore.
If you don't, I can do that too. I am not a professional like him, but I have speaking experience.
In reply to If you don't, I can do that by TromboRafi
one would keep it inside the regular family, the other whithin the MuseScore Family, I'd prefer the latter here ;-)
In reply to one would keep it inside the by Jojo-Schmitz
I will watch the videos tonight and create an initial google doc with the scripts. ChurchOrganist, maybe you can share yours too and we can merge those. When we have the scripts, we can start translating and making the videos.
In reply to I will watch the videos by TromboRafi
Really I think we need to start from scratch with the MuseScore 2 video tutorials.
There is a significant enough difference in the UIs to require completely new tutorials.
In reply to Really I think we need to by ChurchOrganist
Also see this task in the issue tracker:-
http://musescore.org/en/node/25427
In reply to Also see this task in the by ChurchOrganist
My voice, to me, does not like.
But, they say, is good. I can offer my candidature (when this project will be more mature) for the Italian, if you deem it appropriate.
Maybe you could collect samples, both male and female, to choose the appropriate ones?
I think we can talk about it yet...
Ok guys, now that MuseScore 2 Beta 1 has been released we need to start work on the new tutorials.
I have made a list of headings for the first 10 videos as follows:-
1. Finding your way around.
2. Entering notes
3. Adding another part
4. Copy and paste
5. Lyrics
6. Dynamics, articulation and phrasing
7. Pickup bars, repeats, voltas and codas
8. Drum Parts
9. Score Formatting 1: Layout
10. Score Formatting 2: Style
Does anyone have any additions, insertions, or alterations?
In reply to Ok guys, now that MuseScore 2 by ChurchOrganist
So I gather from the deafening silence that these headings are ok :)
I now have a draft version of the first video using Microsoft's Hazel Desktop Speech Synthesiser as the narrator.
There are few more editing tasks to do then I shall be posting the draft somewhere visible for you all to comment on.
I'm aware that we need to maintain a high standard here - maybe we should hold a competition to find the perfect voice-over artist?
In reply to Ok guys, now that MuseScore 2 by ChurchOrganist
An question we often receive via support is how to create sheet music. For some it's not clear that software needs to be downloaded and installed. So I guess in the 1. Finding your way around, some attention needs to be given to mentioning that one needs to download and install the software from musescore.org.
In reply to Finding your way around by Thomas
That is a good point Thomas.
I was actually starting with the premise that they had already downloaded and installed the software.
I will add downloading and installing :)
In reply to Ok guys, now that MuseScore 2 by ChurchOrganist
Another returning support question is on import and export. How to for instance export to audio, or import from other notation software (briefly mentioning MusicXML or MIDI).
In reply to Import and Export by Thomas
Again something that should be covered.
In reply to Ok guys, now that MuseScore 2 by ChurchOrganist
How about extending "copy and paste" to add other carefully selected "edit existing score" topics? It might be a good place to introduce the element inspector window, for example, or change tempo via editing the text.
Well I now have draft video for the 1st tutorial with narrative courtesy of Microsoft Hazel.
I feel the my own regional accent is not suitable for these videos :)
It ended up being a bit of a saga which I won't go into now, but the draft of the first video is here:
http://youtu.be/X4L0MvlnAyA
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Suggestions for improvement welcome :)
In reply to Well I now have draft video by ChurchOrganist
Looks good Michael!
I might be able to caption such videos - just hope an update of the editor I have (on Mac) comes soon. :)
In reply to Looks good Michael! I might by chen lung
If you can provide a caption script then it is possible to use Microsoft's Speech Synthesiser to provide translated overdubs.....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows.media.speechsynthesis.s…
In reply to If you can provide a caption by ChurchOrganist
I just watched the first video now. I know I'm late to the party... Here is my feedback.
I will try stay at the level of the content because esthetically... this is just not my style. According to me it undermines the content quality . Still, I understand that it's just a matter of taste... and I don't have the monopoly of good taste...
I do appreciate the music of the intro. (but the bouncing ball... really?)
So the content,
1/ The part about downloading and installing is not useful. Or it needs to really cover download and installation, at least on windows (and another video could cover it on Mac), or it's not worth and the video can start after MuseScore is launched. Here is a good download and installation video in my opinion http://www.techsmith.com/download-camtasia-studio-thankyou.html
Also going through Google to get to MuseScore.org is probably a bad idea since depending on one's configuration one might end up on bogus site that wouldn't provide the official installers but wrappers that would install toolbars, malware etc... together with MuseScore.
2/ The part about the UI is ok. There is too much pause after the palette.
I applaud the effort, and anyone is free to create videos and put them on youtube. But I really think a professional or someone used to this job should take care of making the videos that millions of people will see on MuseScore.org frontpage.
In reply to I just watched the first by [DELETED] 5
Hehe - Thomas particularly asked to include downloading and installation.
IMO there are too many variables here - OS, browser etc to be able to do this completely successfully. All you can do is give guidelines.
I take your point about the professional - I would be quite happy for a professional in that field to edit any video material I produce to make it better.
In reply to Hehe - Thomas particularly by ChurchOrganist
I do agree that the topic is important. The fact that there are many variables is why a video is needed. But it would be better to deal with it in more complete way in a dedicated video IMO.
In reply to I do agree that the topic is by [DELETED] 5
I think you are right Nicolas, and that the way forward is to have 3 separate videos showing the download and installation process on....
1. Windows - I can provide video for that.
2. Macintosh
3. Linux from the MuseScore PPA
In reply to Well I now have draft video by ChurchOrganist
What licence should we use? I made the draft all rights reserved as it is not for public release, but we need something less restrictive......
Katie Wardrobe released her series under a CC-BY-SA licence.
Is this still OK? Or should it be merely CC-BY?
In reply to What licence should we use? I by ChurchOrganist
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/
So, CC-BY allows the right to remix, tweak, and build upon your work even for commercial purposes as long as they credit you for the original creation. Others can then distribute with a different license.
CC-BY-SA adds the restriction that others must license their new creations that derive from your work under the identical terms of the original. Commercial use is still allowed.
I'm trying to envision the trade-off in practical terms. Will you personally be the licensor or would you donate the work to the Musescore.org project and it will become the licensor? I think if the latter, CC-BY-SA may be more appropriate. If the former, isn't it just personal preference?
In reply to Well I now have draft video by ChurchOrganist
I am currently writing the script for the second video tutorial which covers note entry.
What is the collective opinion of the best time name system to use?
Should it be the English - minim, crotchet, quaver?
Or the US - half note, quarter note, eighth note?
Which one is the most internationally recognised?
I would say that in the UK most musicians are bilingual on this, understanding both systems.
In reply to I am currently writing the by ChurchOrganist
Go for US English. Half, quarter 8th etc. is simpler (and tranfer to the UK Terms quite simple for UK navites) not just for all native English speakers, but more imortantly also for all that have English as their 2nd or 3rd language.
In reply to Go for US English. The by Jojo-Schmitz
That is my instinct too.
Anyone violently opposed to this?
In reply to I am currently writing the by ChurchOrganist
In the US, I'd say only a tiny minority of musicians are even aware there is an alternate naming scheme. The few who know about it will still get the details wrong every so often, like I did the other day :-)
In reply to In the US, I'd say only a by Marc Sabatella
MuseScore native builtin language is en_US, so lets stick with that. Translations could be dealt with after that.
In reply to MuseScore native builtin by Jojo-Schmitz
Please take a look and let me know how it could be improved.
http://youtu.be/KmNEqRRu7Ck
In reply to Draft of Second MuseScore tutorial ready to view by ChurchOrganist
Bar vs. Measure, Stave vs. Staff , so far to en_US :-)
Might be better to use 'Page width' setting rather than '100%'?
In reply to Bar vs. Measure, Stave vs. by Jojo-Schmitz
So US English is Measure, and Staff yes?
In reply to So US English is Measure, and by ChurchOrganist
Yes, at least that is what I learned (here on MuseScore)
In reply to So US English is Measure, and by ChurchOrganist
"Bar" is pretty well accepted in the US too, though. After all, we use the term "barline" universally. It's just that "bar" is consider maybe a less formal term than "measure" for the things that barlines separate.
In reply to "Bar" is pretty well accepted by Marc Sabatella
Hehe - "bars", "measures" - one might think that musicians have a reputation for drinking :)
So which is it to be?
If Measure is the more formal variant then maybe we should use that?
In reply to Hehe - "bars", "measures" - by ChurchOrganist
Text inside MuseScore uses Measure, only the en_UK translations uses Bar
Both use Barline
In reply to Draft of Second MuseScore tutorial ready to view by ChurchOrganist
Incidentally I used Microsoft Zira for the speech synthesiser this time.
Comments would be welcome on the comparison to Hazel for the first video.
I would really like to use a proper voiceover for the finished products, but we will need someone with a neutral English accent I think, be it British or American.
Unless we use the Indian English variant :)
In reply to Incidentally I used Microsoft by ChurchOrganist
Dae ye think a could dae it?
In reply to Dae ye think a could dae it? by chen lung
Maybe :)
How about linking us to an audio clip of you speaking? I can send you a script.
In reply to Maybe :) How about linking us by ChurchOrganist
LOL was only joking, sorry! :D
In reply to Draft of Second MuseScore tutorial ready to view by ChurchOrganist
My overall comment is that while this looks nice, it takes a very long time to actually get around to entering notes. I don't see why a tutorial on entering notes needs to deal with closing MuseScore Connect, opening the Inspector, editing titles, entering special characters, etc. For that matter, I'm not so sure it should be dealing with key signatures or time signatures either. I think you are missing a tutorial between 1 & 2 that covers that stuff - or it could be rolled into #1. Either way, this is the kind of thing a lot of people will want to skip as being relatively self-evident. But note entry is more mysterious, and it would be nice to have a direct link to a tutorial that covers that specifically. So I think what happens at right around the 2:40 mark is where this tutorial should *start*.
In reply to My overall comment is that by Marc Sabatella
Indeed, but of course in the 1.3 videos key signatures and time signatures were covered in the setting up the score video.
By opening with My First Score now, the dynamic has changed.
So maybe as you say Marc, we need an intermediate one to take care of this rather than incorporating it into the Entering Notes video.
I was actually quite concerned about the length of the video which is over 6 minutes, and My original aim was to keep each one to less than 5 if possible.
In reply to Draft of Second MuseScore tutorial ready to view by ChurchOrganist
I like it.
One comment, I think this tutorial would be the right place to show how to enter a rest.
In reply to Draft of Second MuseScore tutorial comment by jim.weisgram
Good point, but that will come in a later tutorial.
The plan is that the finished piece will be a 4 part round, so rest entry will be dealt with when the second part is added.
In reply to I am currently writing the by ChurchOrganist
Somehow I didn't see the comments already supplied. I posted my response but see I added nothing new. So I'd delete this reply if I knew how.
Hello.
I am 3 weeks from retirement, and I would like to help with Danish.
Regards
Jens K. Larsen
In reply to Hello. I am 3 weeks from by Jens K. Larsen
Hi Jens, your MuseScore account has translator rights now. Please learn how to translate MuseScore via https://musescore.org/en/administer-guidelines/translation-instructions
But if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask. Welcome on board!