More flexibility with tuplets
I am composing a piece in 21/16 time signature. That is, 3 big beats with 7 subdivisions each beat. I would like to create tuplets to replace 7 sixteenth notes (one beat) with 5 notes. A quintuplet within the established context of 7. So, 5/7 instead of 5/4 as a typical quintuplet is. The interface is only set up for me to work from a standard note length for defining my tuplets. I'll need to make a work around for the notation (invisible notes and such) to get the score to look the way I want it to. The playback will not be rhythmically accurate though.
See measure 308 in the attached score in progress. You'll see the solution I came up with, but it is less than ideal because the playback is inaccurate.
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I see no 21/16 time signature anywhere in that piece.
But why would you use such a thing? If you have three beats in the measure why not use 3/4 or 9/8 say and when you want the beat divided into 7 use a 7-tuplet and when you want it divided into 5 use a 5-tuplet. If most of the beats are divided into 7 and you are concerned that the score will be littered with 7s on each tuplet you can supress the display of the number. It is very common when similar tuplets follow each other to just put the number on the first one. The player will understand that the following groups are similar. I would think that such a notation would be simpler to read and understand than trying to work out what a 5:7 ratio tuplet means.
In reply to I see no 21/16 time… by SteveBlower
The measure in question is no. 308 on page 42.
It could be easier to use 3/4. I'll ask the performers which they prefer to read for this piece. To answer your question about why I would use that, it is simply because I conceptualized the beat with 7 subdivisions to relate to the theme of the piece (7 days of creation).
Notwithstanding workarounds, which I've already found, they are significantly more time-consuming than what I'm hoping can be developed in the future.
Turn a 7/16 bar into a 5-tuplet and copy that three times to the 21/16 bar.
In reply to Turn one of the 7/ by underquark
Underquark beat me to it :) but yes, turn a 7/16 full bar rest into a 5 in7 tuplet, copy and paste it then delete the temporary 7/16 bar.
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In reply to Underquark beat me to it :)… by rothers
This is a good idea for a workaround, but I posted to this forum because I have a feature request. I already made a work around by writing 16th notes with rests, hiding the rests, moving the notes, and adding text to convey the 5/7.
In reply to This is a good idea for a… by joeberibak
In this specific case there is a single entity that can be divided into 7 semiquavers, a double dotted crotchet, so that can be used as the start point of the quintuplet. For others durations however, such as 5 9 10 11 13 etc, the whole bar rest technique is needed.
In reply to In this specific case there… by rothers
Wonderful. Thanks for this information. That's helpful for this score.