Hymns

• Apr 19, 2010 - 11:16

Here are the first 75 Hymns in "The Songs Of Praise" book... about a tenth of the total... then I have "Ancient & Modern" followed by "The New English Hymnal". Will I finish them all? It will keep me busy :-S

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In reply to by Billard Sirakawa

I was mainly doing it for the "note input". Once you have the source files, load it in to musescore and change the instruments.

Is there a "musescore" player? some kind of jukebox that can load the files, then play them a few times with a user-defined gap between them... or am I going to have to write it?

The Lyrics of the Hymns? It will take me long enough to enter the music, let alone the words... try looking in a church :-)

Colin

I'm working on the same idea. However, my songbook is labeled "Hymns of Glorious Praise". If your songs had titles in the "saved" name I would be willing to enter the lyrics to those that I have lyrics for.

In reply to by drbeams

My choir are fed up with getting all robed up only to sing unison. So as they come up, I am setting some of the hymns and songs in HON for SATB, with the text between the staves.

Even as a boy treble I didn't understand why "Dear Lord and Father of Mankind" was unison. It has lovely harmonies. I have a versoin of that too.

HON's version of "Ode to Joy" is boringly distant from Beethoven's bass line. I've brought it back to life, I hope.

I'm happy to share with anyone else who's stuck with HON.

Glyndwr

In reply to by glyndwr_

Hi there,

I'm looking for an SATB version of Dear Lord and Father of Mankind and my googling directed me to your comment above! Is your version online anywhere? I am very keen to get hold of the choral parts asap for my wedding!

Can you help at all?

Many thanks,
Alison

In reply to by hattrick

This really is a lovely hymn - one of the traditionals that a lot of people still know.

Since the original posting I have clarified harmonies on a number of these HON hymns, worked on a lot of chants from Taizé and elsewhere, and even written a few pieces of my own. MuseScore and I have learned a lot over the last year!

Shortly after that original posting I heard a lovely setting of this hymn on the BBC R4 Sunday Morning Service. I haven't looked around for that setting, but it was a nice arrangement for choir and organ.

I'll attach the PDF of Dear Lord and Father to this reply. The harmony is compatible with the setting in HON and probably most other hymn books too.

There is also an SSATBB version (not mine) here: http://www.hymnwiki.org/wiki/images/1/1a/Dear_Lord_and_Father_of_Mankin…

I hope you find a version that will add a little something to your very special day.

Glyndwr (Peter Steadman)

Glyndwr & forum,

I assume your separating them into different voices using first, second, third & fourth voice? I'd like a example of what your doing.

I'm new to the music scene score sheet entry and sight reading of music. While I"ve played in the past by ear, using musescore has helped me enormously learn music notation. Unfortunately this also means I don't really know what HON or STAB means yet.

I'm curious how everybody is dealing with copyright. I assume anything before 1930 is out of copyright. I recall singing the old hyms the entire time as growing up, and the lyrics really meant something. They lyrics were specific without ambiguous meaning. I suppose this is one of the reason my interest in doing this.

I'll post a link to a website with what I've done later this evening. I'm interested in what others think about the method of separating the notes into different voices and how they are handling it.

In reply to by drbeams

Sorry - HON = Hymns Old & New - churches chose it because it contains a mix of old hymns and more recent ones, along with some songs and Taize-style chants. They soon realise that a lot of traditional words have been messed about with - removing gender references, anti-militarism, anti-imperialism, or just a feeling that people don't want to use thou, thy, art, and wert, any more.

If that side of it doesn't wind you up enough, you then find your vicar has chosen a hymn which is set in unison - where everyone sings the tune. If (s)he has a robed choir that begs the question, why run a bunch of experienced harmony singers and regularly ask them to sing in unison.

I take the hymn list when the priests set it up, and I re-write some of the music so that all four voices can sing it - Soprano, Alto, Tenor and Bass (=SATB). Sometimes I add a descant for a chorus, or for a final verse, if it feels right.

Here's the "Ode to Joy" with hymn words, for example. HON (the hymn book) uses a different harmony. No idea why. Surely Mr Beethoven is out of copyright by now!

My choir likes singing from this layout, with the words inside the "piano" part. They wouldn't do that for polyphony, but they'll only encounter that in anthems and other major items like a Magnificat, Nunc Dimittis, Te Deum, or Gloria. I know other choirs that would prefer to see four separate voice lines on the sheet, but that's easy enough to do.

In reply to by glyndwr_

Thanks for the clarification.

In regards to SATB, I should have know this already. I've been taking the hymns directly and using voices (I assume SATB) and depending upon the note flag direction separating into voices. I've not found a way yet to auto-magically separate the voices into separate parts, nor do I currently understand if I'm setting up the voices correctly.

I come from a small church, and have been using the dates at the top of each hymn as a guide for copyright.

I'll sure be taking a look at your mscz.

Thanks, Dale

In reply to by drbeams

Fortunately, HON has very clear copyright indications on each page, for both the poet and the composer. I always copy these onto the arangements, plus a note of what I have done (eg, SATB - Glyndwr).

Having bought a set of congregation, melody and harmony hymn books for your church, chapel, school, or college you clearly have the right to use them in worship. If you were to be invited to take part in a broadcast like "Dechrau Canu, Dechrau Canmol" or "Songs of Praise" then the TV or radio company would check out the rights.

Your church's copyright officer will know what needs reporting and how. And they'll be delighted if you turn out to be the copyright holder and aren't seeking royalties on your new work.

In reply to by drbeams

Your soprano and bass lines are usually as written, unless the bass runs too low. Then you have to decide where to break it and bring it up an octave, or whether to use another note of the chord - the third or the fifth.

You can allow the tenor and the alto to cross each other occasionally (though probably not in the first and last chord of a hymn). and you don't usually want more than one voice taking the third of the chord.

Overall what you are aiming for is singable lines, avoiding unpleasant or difficult intervals. I sing the inner parts with the playback feature as a final check, but usually I've spotted any odd intervals before then.

If you have singers who don't read music but are on email, why not post them the PDF of the music plus the MIDI file at the beginning of the week? They'd have a chance to hear what's coming up on Friday's practice.

In reply to by glyndwr_

I am completely new to writing music, and I have a large collection of some 600 of them in Welsh. I have found the original music for a lot of them. Some 60 of them are written in tonic Sol-fa.

I am wondering if I have some one who reads tonic sol-fa and I recorded that tune, could I then from the recording play that into the software to produce "hen odiant"; music in notations? .

Thank you.

Rev, Wena D. Parry

You don't really need a jukebox - you could always export the score as MIDI, and then use one of the many free MIDI players.

Mike

Hi:

I'm downloading this to use as training pieces for tuba. Are there names for these and are the other downloads for the other ??? hymns?

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