Replicating organ stops in MuseScore

• Jan 14, 2020 - 12:04

I'm transcribing some music for a pipe organ in MuseScore (3) and would like to handle multiple organ stops for a single part (manual) in the simplest way. I'm using the jeux14.sf2 SoundFont for my organ sounds. My approach below works fine, but is a bit unwieldy as a typical organ score might end up with 10-15 parts, of which only 3 would be displayed. Can someone comment on my approach, or perhaps suggest another way to handle this situation?

In my original score, the Swell manual uses two ranks (Diapason 8' and Spitzfloete 4'). On a real pipe organ you'd simply pull out the two relevant stops, but in MuseScore, each part or staff can have (AFAIK) a single SoundFont patch setting e.g. Diapason 8' or Spitzfloete 4' but not both at once.

Currently in MuseScore, I'm doing the following steps to approximate using multiple stops:

  1. Write my notes etc. for the stave/part (organ manual eg. Swell)
  2. Apply the first patch I need (Diapason 8') to this part
  3. Duplicate the part and set its patch to the next pipe rank I need (Spitzfloete 4')
  4. Hide this second part.
  5. Keep duplicating the part and set the next patch for any further organ stops required.

This works fine - the music plays the staff using both patches simultaneously, just as if you'd pulled out two stops on a pipe organ. The downside is managing so many parts - for example an edit to a note would require that same edit be done in all duplicated staves. I did notice the 'Add linked stave' button in the Instruments window, though I'm not exactly sure this would do what I'm looking for.

(I know I can edit the SoundFont itself in PolyPhone and create a new preset that contains the two ranks, but this is a bit inflexible as you could end up creating 100s of presets containing any possible combination of ranks that you might want to use. In fact, the jeux14.sf2 SoundFont already makes extensive use of multiple instruments in a single preset (patch). For example patch number 4 Prin(g.o.)+4+2 is in fact made up of 3 instruments: Montre 8, Prestant 4 and Principal 2 )

Thanks guys - any comments much appreciated.

Pete


Comments

This is the "general MuseScore organ problem". I'm an organist, and was really unable to use MuseScore to present organ repertoire convincingly until I acquired the Hauptwerk virtual pipe organ (VPO) system, which is not inexpensive (either to acquire or house and feed). Soundfonts do this by mixing these stops before making the recordings. Or you can mix them afterwards, if you have your own sound font. You will indeed need presets for every combination you might use in a work, and one sound font per work. Midi sound fonts are not the right way to do organs with computer technology --- VPO's are. See all the posts in https://musescore.com/groups/3642106 from oldest to newest.

MuseScore could help your current technology, 1 staff per stop, with a colla parte feature, saying "this staff means more than one channel and patch, varying during the work", but it doesn't now have one and one is not planned.

The best way to present organ music if you do not have VPO and a YouTube account is to use the wheezy old "one plenum fits all" "Pipe Organ" for repertoire that it fits, and "instruments" such as pan flutes, recorders, etc., often at unnatural octave transpositions, or even "quint" transpositions, for chorale preludes and the like, and gangs of hidden parallel staves if one is not enough.

As I say in the posts I cited, "organ" is a many-centuries-older synthesizer technology than MIDI, and is not fully compatible. Scores with YouTube backing can present VPO output synced with a score on the site, but not in the app (there is another thread now where I am failing to convince this forum that optional supplied-MP3-backing for the app would be desirable). See my "Hauptwerk" set for finished posted scores with Hauptwerk backing mediated via YouTube.

There is also the "GrandOrgue" VPO system, which is free, but not of the same product quality as Hauptwerk, and the virtual instruments available for it are not as grand and famous as the for-money ones available only with Hauptwerk.

In reply to by BSG

Thanks BSG - a tonne of information in there, I'll go through it all.
I've got a (free) copy of Hauptwerk and even with the basic St. Anne's Mosley, they give you a great organ.
I looked into the Hauptwerk organ configuration files a couple of years ago: very impressive, and like all good design, properly informed by real pipe organs. But...complex as befits the physical organ model they base it on.

I've also looked into GrandOrgue too, but as you say, the sound quality has nothing on Hauptwerk. Some of the Hauptwerk set ups people have created are truly impressive, and watching them in action on YouTube is quite exciting (for me anyway!).

My dream one day is to have a 2 and 1/2 octave rounded MIDI pedalboard - I'm always on the lookout in EBay and Gumtree for the wooden pedalboards themselves, salvaged from old church organs. The MIDI conversion is not too difficult, and the are a few decent instructional videos on YouTube too.

Lastly I agree with you on getting MP3 into MuseScore. I think there used to be (still is?) a licensing issue with providing MP3 exports (the Frauenhofer Institute controlled the format), but I'm not sure how rigorously its enforced these days.

In reply to by Lofo

Hi. There's some misinformation here. MuseScore ALREADY exports to MP3 -- choose it from the file type in the export menu. And there is no issue with patent -- the MP3 patent is expired. My need is about simultaneous playback, as on the site.

MIDI conversion of pedalboards is not trivial; making reed switches or Hall effect detectors work reliably for a couple of dozen pedals is no small task (been there). YouTubes can teach you how to play Jimi Hendrix solos, tackle football, or dance ballet, but the reality is usually more difficult.

Hauptwerk version 4, which you have, which supports a "free" version, is now obsolete. Version 5 doesn't have a free version, and Milan doesn't offer or support Version 4 any more, so don't delete your installer. If you're serious about this business, you'll pay the price for the real deal ($600).

https://musescore.com/bsg/lauda-anima is my best MuseScore/Hauptwerk integrated production. Take a listen.

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