Reverting local time signature to global?

• Jan 5, 2023 - 23:00

Hi folks,

I realise this might be one of the ongoing limitations of MuseScore but in case there is a way around my issue I thought I would ask.

I'm transcribing John William's theme to Richard Donner's Superman and on bar 43 there's a bit of switcheroo going on with time signatures. At this point the global time signature is still supposed to be 12/8 but from bar 35 some instruments changed to 4/4 (Viola and Celli), which I've implemented with local time signatures. It's a bit slower to enter notes due to the copy/paste limitation but that's not the issue here.

On bar 43 some more instruments switch to 4/4 (Clarinets, Horns and Violins) however the violas revert back to 12/8. And there lies my issue. After some experimenting, if I prep the bars by changing all time signatures as required to local ones, it somehow takes on the properties of the last one which changed, in this case the reverting of the violas to 12/8. So after much undoing, I entered each instrument one by one with its new time signature but as you might guess when it comes to doing the violas, it won't change the time signature locally to 12/8 as other instruments in the same bar have note information (not sure why that's a block but there must be some logic behind it) and of course if I enter the notes as I want them it bleeds over to the next bar as it expects the bar to still be in 4/4.

So my question is, is it possible to revert a locally defined time signature to its global setting? This is my first orchestral piece that I transcribe on Musescore 4 and surely this is not uncommon at all for orchestral pieces to have those time signature variations so I'm hoping there's a way to make it work. However I have not seen any indication in menus nor does there seem to be a parameter setup for one single bar of one given instrument (it's either the whole bar for all instruments or the whole line of the instrument itself).

Grateful for any suggestions people may have, my Google-fu has failed me on this one I'm afraid.

Cheers
-Jean-Loup


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Were I having this problem, I'd include BOTH a screen-shot of the area in question (maybe showing the difficulty you see), AND the score. Not sure what a 'Google-fu' is. Thx.

In reply to by jean_loup

A screen shot shows people here what you are looking at specifically. We can't see anything. You can double the detail of your written description if you'd like... Frequently, when those far more experienced & knowledgeable tackle a problem such as yours, they ask for a copy of the score attached here. You can opt-out of that if you like.

A bit of a bump up on this issue as I've not had any constructive comments on it. I attach the part of the score I am trying to change from 4/4 to 12/8 but which won't work because a) there is no option to "restore to default time signature" I can see and b) adding 12/8 as a local time signature is not possible due to other instruments not being blank.

I'm really just trying to work out if I've hit a feature limitation or if I'm missing something.

As a side note, my score now appears to be corrupted, I assume because of the local time signatures. It still opens just fine though so it's not an issue yet but it is worrying given the amount of time I spent working on transcribing this score.

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In reply to by jean_loup

There is no default Time Signature to revert to. [Ctrl]-drag the 12/8 to the place where you want it to make it a local time signature. Don't do global time signature changes except where you want all the staves to have that new time signature at that point; if even one stave is to have a different time signature then change the others individually to local time signatures.

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In reply to by underquark

By "default" I mean what MuseScore calls "nominal" time signature (as defined in the Bar properties). And yes I know the procedure to create a local time signature but until just now I wasn't able to revert an instrument that had been changed from the "nominal" to a local time signature back to that nominal.

However for some reason I can't quite fathom, it started to work again. Despite days of getting a message along the lines of "cannot modify time signature as score is not empty".

so I guess I'll keep working away at my score and see how far I go before hitting the next road block.

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