"Save": fixes problems - include transposition.

• Dec 29, 2009 - 00:41

Task:
Take a lead sheet with lyrics and chrodnames (changes), written in the key of D Major, cut time.

Transpose it up 1 tone to E Major, including transposing key sigs and chordnames.

Result 1. Inappropriate translation. A7sus4 does not translate. Must be manually changed.

Result 2: Double click in above A7sus4 chord to change it. Box is no longer selected with cursor in it. Text in that box become locked.

Save releases the lock.

Consideration: 7sus4 may not be recognized. When I right click on the change and select Harmony properties, the selection box comes up in C major rather than acknowledging the user generated chordname.

Regards.

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• Dec 29, 2009 - 09:10

If I'm not wrong, MuseScore does not recognize C7sus4 but C7sus.
Long time ago, I propose to have a visual indicator to know if the text has been recognized as a chordname or not. Something similar to the red/yellow notes out of scale for pro and amateur.
Any opinion about that?

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• Dec 29, 2009 - 16:05

I think this is heading in the right direction, but rather than a colour code, would it not be better for the improper input to be refused by the program with a pop up, perhaps stating the reason why and offering either an alternative or opening a window with appropriate choices? This would save clicks and give more direction.

Thanks everyone for your very fine work.

Regards.

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• Dec 29, 2009 - 18:25

Better yet have it recognize that C7sus is ambiguous and have allow it you to specify whether it is sus4 or sus2. The work around that I use is to set the chordname style to jazzchords when I open the piece. Any chord that it does not recognize it will not change to the jazz font. Those I go back later and fuss with.

Regards
Keith

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• Dec 29, 2009 - 20:20

Don;
I will be damned if I can find a way to make jazzchords the default either. I haven't been using it much lately as I have been having some unique problems with the last couple of pre-releases and some of the earlier nightlies. I would definitely support a request for a way to make them the default.

Regards
Keith

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• Dec 29, 2009 - 19:39

Of course it would be a good idea to add 7sus2 and 7sus4 but the problem of unknown chords is one that needs to be addressed.

The trouble with colored notes and chordnames is people often do not understand why it is colored and are worried that it will print in color. Popups can provide information (if people actually read them) but most often they get in the way, interrupt your line of thought, and have a tendency to annoy.

My suggestion is to draw from what people are familiar with from spell checkers (cf. Microsoft Word, Firefox, Open Office). If a chord name or suffix is not recognized then a red, dotted underline appears under the chord name text. You can right click on the unrecognized chord name and choose to add the chord suffix to the "dictionary" or choose from a small list of suggestions. For example right clicking on C7sus4 might show the following menu:

  • C7sus
  • Csus4
  • Add to chord dictionary
  • ---------------
  • Cut
  • Copy
  • ...

People are likely to understand that dotted underline is for the screen only (not for printing), and realize that MuseScore doesn't recognized the chord.

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• Dec 29, 2009 - 20:14

David;
Something along those lines would work fine for me. It is something people are used to seeing and is unobtrusive enough not to be a major annoyance like a pop-up could be. The other advantage is it would keep my blood pressure under control by eliminating the frustration and cursing at the stupidity of computers the next time I encountered the x7sus4 since once it is added it would be there and it is a relatively common chord in jazz..

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