trying to make a keys and scales page using the entire length of the guitar, and having problems

• Mar 13, 2017 - 22:26

hey folks.

I was trying to come up with a keys and scales pages demonstrating all the notes on the guitar over all the keys.

I did the C. No problem. Yay, go me.

I copy and paste to make the same scalar run for G, so I then go to the key signature palette, thinking it will automagically do it for me, but then it put accidentals over all the F's...

(don't mind the dynamics markings which were something I was testing out and it seems to work ok. But one thing at a time. )

Also I have no idea how to delete the rests at the end of the scale run... I would like to do that as well. Ideally, it would be nice to just get rid of the bar lines for the scalar demonstrations.

Any help?

Edit. I forgot the attachment.... sigh

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To automatically change the key (including notes) from C to G, copy the line of music to the next spot and select all of it. Then go to the Notes->Transpose... menu and check "by key" and then the correct direction (up or down) then change the dop down on the right to G major / E minor. Keep Transpose Key Signature checked in the middle of the box. This will changes all the notes correctly and set the key signature.

Al you did was change the key the scale is in.

To get rid of the rests at the end of the line, I'm guessing this is the last measure before double lines indicating end of song. Change the measure duration by double clicking the measure and change the actual duration to the correct number of beats. If the measure is in 4 but you have an odd number of 8th notes you can change the bottom number as well.

In reply to by mike320

Transposing doesn't work since it introduces notes that available on the guitar. What I am trying to do is to come up with the scalar runs for each keys that goes along all the notes on the guitar.

If I transpose then it will lower the whole scalar run to include lower bcd.

What I'm trygin to do is always start with the same lowest note on the guitar which is E

Maybe you forgot the attachment?

Adding a key signature just adds the key signature, doesn't change anything else, so indeed, your F's stay F's, and your scale still starts on C. Presumably you want to *transpose* the example. So, select the passage you want to transpose, Notes / Transpose.

As for the rests, I'd have to see to say for sure, but I'm also guessing you entered notes of a duration that add up less than whatever your time signature is, So change either the note durations or the time signature to match (or use Measure Properties to change the "actual duration" of the measure).

Since you mention barlines, though, maybe you mean you have empty measures? In that case, select them, then Ctrl+Delete.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I'd think about how you want to represent the rhythm. Do you really mean to have it be sixteenths, grouped exactly like that, so the pattern takes several measures and ends in the middle of a measure like that? Fine if so, but you might consider whether a different time signature makes sense so the beats fall more naturally. Anyhow, in this case, you can do as I said and change the "actual duration" of the measure, but maybe better to just select the rests and press "V" to mark them invisible. Then the space they take will remain, which seems like it would make more sense if you aren't concerned with the rhythm.

At the end, deleting the measures themselves is done as I said (Ctrl+Delete).

Looks like you are actually trying to keep the range the same - the whole guitar - so you don't want to transpose. Mike's idea is good - use the Alt+Shift+Up command to move everything up diatonically a step, then back down. This will force everything to fit the key. There are other ways, but this is probably the easiest.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Alt shift up or down does it.

These runs are not really to learn the rhythm or beats for that matter. Just strictly to familiarize oneself with the notes. I mean sure it's easier if I always start with the root note and end with the root note. But when I started out, this was how I used to practice and it helped a lot in learning the board.

That's why I just wanted to get rid of all the bar lines, so that there is no truncation as to interfere with the learning of the notes. Maybe I'm approaching this the wrong way and relying too much on my personal experience as opposed to what we were taught in school.

Crtl delete doesn't work because the bar division is still there and musescore thinks it still needs the rests to make it a complete measure.

In reply to by seanincali

If you just want to familiarize yourself with the notes, I wouldn't use sixteenths notes at all - that implies a four-to-the-beat rhythm that probably isn't relevant at all. I'd use quarter notes, in a very long measure.

Instead of thinking in terms of getting rid of barlines, think instead of the end result of this - you are combining measures. The command to do that is Edit / Measure / Join Selected Measures (after selecting the measures of course). Although for the record, you can also mark barlines invisible by selecting them and pressing "V". This won't really do what you want, though, as now there will be extra space after every four beats.

Ctrl_delete is how you get of *complete empty measures*. That is, all those measures at the end of your score with absolutely nothing in them. Select them all together, Ctrl+delete, and they will be gone.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Come to think of it, I think this is a wrong way to do this. I think I need to represent the keys as accidentals. Otherwise, the entire worksheet is just same notes all over again with just key notation in front. And I do recall starting to learn the keys that way on the guitar.

So how I will I add all the sharps and flats according to the keys instead of having to do them manually?

It seems from the range you want to keep the bottom and top note the same within 1/2 a step. If this is the case, then enter the key signature, select all the measures to change, hold the ctrl key and press the up then down arrows. This will put the notes back where they started in the correct key.

You will of course have to do something about the bottom E when an E-flat enters the key signature, because there will be no C-flat for most of the keys. Similar problem with the top C when C# is in the key.

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