corrupt measure, how come ?
This score was started from scratch. I did paste measures in from other score if that is relevant. But the other score was fine.
Two Q's::
1) How come I can't get eight 1/8 notes or rests into measure 21? Meas 21 properties seem fine to me. But MuseScore now tells me file is corrupt.
2) I re-typed it as measure 25, but suppose I want it to begin with the rest, what do I do?
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Exchange voices 1/2 twice;
Delete the rest (green)
see: https://musescore.org/en/node/54721
In reply to Exchange voices 1/2 by Shoichi
well, your suggestion worked, THX.
But as important, how did I get it mixed up? I seem to get a corrupt measure (tmingwise) every 4 or 5 times I sit down to edit. And it usually occurs when I want a rest at beginning of measure, or when I try to get rid of one already there at begining.
I have developed the habit of using SHFT Arrow (in entry mode) in order to move rests left or right. Is this bad? Is there a better way to move rests around within a measure?
In reply to well, your suggestion worked, by dpenny
Thanks for that last paragraph - it provides the answer. Corruption is normally pretty rare, but we have discovered the Shift+left/right command can lead to corruption when used to move a note or rest into a position that has a different duration. It was originally intended, I guess, just to reverse notes within a passages of similar durations, and the case of mixed durations wasn't fully tested. It does indeed lead to corruption. There are a couple of other known causes of corruption but it would be much less likely you'd run into them unless you are doing very esoteric things.
To move notes or rests around, the standard method is cut and paste.
In reply to Thanks for that last by Marc Sabatella
marc, you said "To move notes or rests around, the standard method is cut and paste".
that just plain does not work, at least as I understand "work."
the instant you cut a note, it is replaced by a rest. how can I put it back in the same measure? the technical solution is to hold off doing ANYTHING until an insert point is determined.
eg1: say it was note 2 in a 4/4 meas of 1/4 notes. how do I cutNpaste it after what was note 4?
eg2: say meas is note1, rest, note2, note3. How do I cutNpaste the rest to be after note3?
Sorry, but IMO MuseScore seems good at changing pitch of notes, but sucks at changing location within a measure or changing durations within a measure.
In reply to marc, you said "To move notes by dpenny
I'm not quite understanding your confusion. You can paste a note anywhere you like - just click the location you'd like to paste it to and press Ctrl+V. Of course deleting a note replaces it with a res t- that's central to the whole idea that MsueScore *will not move your notes unless you ask it to*. If it didn't replace a deleted note with a rest, then not only would you be deleting a note, but this would also have the unintended side effect of moving subsequent notes earlier in time, and also have the unintended side effect of leaving you with too few beats in the measure. So it would take extra steps just to fix those errors.
Now, if it happens that actually *wanted* the subsequent notes to mvoe earlier, then the solution is simply: just move them. Don't try to trick MuseScore into moving them by deleting some other note - move the notes you actually want moved. So if you have C D E F and you want the E F moved a beat earlier, don't try to trick MuseScore into doing this by deleting the D - simply select the E & F, cut, click the D, paste. It's that simple.
In reply to I'm not quite understanding by Marc Sabatella
your statement, next, is not true, I just tried it.
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So if you have C D E F and you want the E F moved a beat earlier, don't try to trick MuseScore into doing this by deleting the D - simply select the E & F, cut, click the D, paste. It's that simple.
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your suggestion gives C E F ~ (where ~=rest). Now I have to go into note entry mode to change ~ to D. Too many key strokes and chances for error.
It is much worse if I am trying to change timing within a measure. Start with 4 qtr notes (4/4 timing). I want to explore all sound possibilities of making one a dotted qtr and taking away duration from another note. 4 possibilities for dotted qtr x 3 choices for shortening gives 12 sequences to explore.
you'd like to dragNdrop to perform this experiment - ya can't.
you'd like to cutNpaste the dotted qtr to other beats - ya can't.
you'd like to use SHFT Arrow to move the dotted qtr around - ya can't, it corrupts the file.
I stand by my statement that the UI sucks when it comes to moving thingys around within a measure.
I do appreciate this forum & the opportunity to dialogue with those more knowledgeable about MuseScore than I am.
In reply to your statement, next, is not by dpenny
My statement *is* true. I was talking about moving E F earlier, and it works exactly the way I said. You are talking about doing two different htings - one is moving E F earlier, and the other is moving D later. So of course that takes two separate steps: first moving the E F earlier, then enter the D. Or, if you wish to stay in the world of copy/paste, first copy the D to a safe place, then move the E F, then move the D. Same way you'd do an exchange of position of two elements in most other programs that deal with elements placed in fixed positions.
Anyhow, this particular combination of operations should be all that common, so I guess I dson't see why it should mater if we provide some sort of special command for it or not. Most other programs I know don't special case this sort of unusual sequence of operations, either.
Regaridng experimenting, you are right, MuseScore is not intended as a general purpose experimentation program, it's more for notation. A more general "scratch pad" mode is occasionally requested and not a bad idea for future development.
In reply to your statement, next, is not by dpenny
@dpenny
Here's something that may come in handy...
Assuming you are in note entry mode and entered C D E F.
If you want the D moved to the fourth beat, you can press the left arrow until you get to the D, then use Shift + Right to move the D to the fourth beat. The E and F are preserved (though shifted earlier in time, as if copy/pasted).
Regards.
In reply to @dpenny Here's something that by Jm6stringer
The problem is, as I mentioned earlier, there is a known bug where this leads to corruption if the durations of the swapped notes don't match.
In reply to The problem is, as I by Marc Sabatella
Got it and understood.
In reply to @dpenny Here's something that by Jm6stringer
Thanks for your note & comment jm6. Your suggestion/thought works ONLY if the duration of the notes to be exchanged/moved are the same, i.e, all 1/4s or 1/8s, etc. Otherwise a corrupt file results. Please be so advised.