Grace Note in different clef
Does anybody know the trick of scoring on the same staff a grace note in the bass clef that is attached to a note or chord in the treble clef? It seems like I've done it before but now I can't remember how.
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Maybe https://musescore.org/en/handbook/cross-staff-beaming helps?
I am not sure this is what the intention is. The question was how to do it in one staff.
If you need correct playback I guess you are out of luck. For just the desired look--for human musicians--place the grace note on the line you need it and place a bass clef from the symbols palette in front of it. Then place the treble clef in front of the main note, also from the symbols palette.
The problem seems to me that in this picture the G clef between the grace note and the main note looks kind of graceless i.e. it might not be clear for the reader that the grace note is indeed a grace note and not something else, at least at first look. May be improved by having a slur from the grace to the main note.
In reply to I am not sure this is what by azumbrunn
I'm not sure either, but quite frequently users refer to the 2 staves of a piano as treble and bass clef, hence my hint at cross-staff notation. I was thinking of something like this:
![grace.png]( "grace.png")
In reply to I'm not sure either, but by Jojo-Schmitz
The problem with the picture above is that where the F is in the treble clef there is another chord on the same beat. The F needs to be down in the bass clef but with a treble clef sign in front of it. The A grace note would remain where it is with the bass clef sign in front of it.
Can you show us a picture of what you mean, please?
In reply to Can you show us a picture of by underquark
You mean like this? Seems very hard to read to me.
![xxx.png]( "xxx.png")
BTW here is how it was generated:
- Enter A in the left hand staff
- Add grace note one octave up.
- In inspector add 2 spaces leading space.
- Double click grace notes and move it two spaces to the left.
- Grab small G clef in the symbols palette and drag it to the correct location.
- Add bass clef in front of the quarter rest to set things right (for the reader, not for MS which will disregard the clef from the symbols palette).
In reply to Can you show us a picture of by underquark
See measures marked 58 and 62.
It can be done, but is it worth it?
I used the somewhat obscure "Fix to line" feature in Inspector to move the grace notes visually down whilst retaining their pitches. I then had to adjust things horizontally.
If you try to place a "real" bass clef before the second grace note you run into problems. If you use a symbol then it may be too small or too large. If you place a bass clef before the first note in the septuplet then you can move it backwards horizontally.
The curved "bracket" on the septuplet is simply a slur, extended to include the rest.
In reply to It can be done, but is it by underquark
Relates to #310776: [EPIC] Grace note issues
In Musescore 4, the workaround is still kludgy. You can adjust the note spacing/offset, adjust which notes are being played, use voice 1 for display, and voice 2 for actual payback, and insert the needed clefs as symbols. But it doesn't seem to let you adjust the size of the symbols.
Specifically, there seems to be a full-size clef symbol and a "half"-size clef symbol, but Musescore 4's "cue"-size appears to be a 3/4ths-siz clef. I've tried various ways to adjust these clef sizes, but no success yet.
(I opted for the full-size symbols in the second screenshot.)
In reply to In Musescore 4, the… by Jason Hunsaker
"In Musescore 4, the workaround is still kludgy"
Agreed.
I have come across this grace note clef problem often enough when doing transcription work. This really needs improvement in 4.x to achieve better notation.