Petite Flute Réb/Piccolo Db and in Eb and other instruments...

• Oct 20, 2013 - 21:06


I work on old sheets (1800-1920) from France and Belgium. These two instruments were used. In the 1.3 version, I can create a piccolo and I used option "Third minor" for piccolo Dd for example (Piccolo Dd is particular...)

And there are many instruments used in France, create by Adolph Sax, used in french music, now and before... (I can make a list of these isntrument...)

Do you think that you will create these instruments in the further version ??

Sorry for my VERY BAD ENGLISH.




I'm sure there are many instruments that have been created over the years that do not have predefined listings in MuseScore. It's pretty much impossible to list everything that has ever existed. But if you go to Staff Properties, you can set the name & transposition however you like, so it's exactly the same as if they were provided for you. I guess that's probably what you were referring to, but perhaps you didn't know that there really is nothing else to it than that - once you've customized the name and transposition, you've done all that could be done if the instrument were predefined. You can also customize instruments.xml to add your favorite instruments if you like to save the work,

But for any instruments actually put into production and called for in real scores, they should probably be included, so I'm sure a list of ones you find missing would be useful. Be sure to check out the nightly builds for 2.0 and use the All Instruments option when looking over the instrument list to see if the instruments you want are already added. I don't see a Db or Eb piccolo, but there are quite a few of Sax's instruments there already.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Thank you, but I knew it all. Now I can not use piccolo and turn it into Db. It's quite complicated explained, I tried to google trad.

"The sounds are, for the latter, more acute than an octave and a diatonic semitone sounds as written."

So I have to put the piccolo in minor third. In a partition in F, I should be fouth #, but if I put it, it changes on all other instruments.

In reply to by axel.chagnon

I'm afraid I am having trouble understanding you. Is French your native language? There are French speakers here that may be able to help if you can explain better in French.

But it is definitely possibly to create Db flute. You don't want a minor third, you want a minor second. Diatonic transposition = 1, chromatic = 1, I think. And setting transposition should *never* change any other instruments. I guess you are trying use Notes / Transpose, but that's wrong. You should right click the staff and use Staff Properties to set transposition for an instrument.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Ok sorry it is an error from me...he Piccolo is not in Db, but in Eb... It is not indicate on the sheet, so I think it was in Db... So this is why it is a third minor !!

But you help me to translate the piccolo Db :) !! This two instrument were very useful in Europe duing the end of the XVIIIth to the 1920s'.

Thank you very much everybody. And sorry for my bad english ;)

I know what you are talking about because our Australian band's library contains music that is more than 100 years old. There are many parts for the piccolo in Db and that old instrument is well documented. However I have not found documentation or knowledgeable people who can explain why the very old flute music is labelled "Flute in Eb" although it is written in the same key as the "Piccolo in Db" (5 more sharps than the concert key).

Sibelius lists the Db Piccolo but I have not found mention of the Db flute. Consequently I scan the "Eb flute" parts into Sibelius, telling Sibelius that it is for a Piccolo in Db. I then get Sibelius to transpose it for me by copying the Db Piccolo staves and pasting into C Flute staves. It comes out one octave too high so I simply lower it by one octave.

My musician friends of up to 80 years of age have never encountered this type of very old music and at first they thought that I was talking about the modern Eb flute instrument whose music is written in a key that has three more sharps than the concert key. There was nothing wrong with your English explanation. This situation confuses everybody who encounters it.

In reply to by brizzoray

I had once seen a sheet music with Piccolo Db.
But we don't usually have these instrument now. Piccolo are in C as Flute.

The important part of the piccolo sheet music was also transposed in the flute part (so in C); and the piccolist of the orchestra read that flute part to play it on a Piccolo in C.

That for a little story ;)


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