Volume levels in DAW

• Nov 13, 2017 - 18:33

I exported file into a MIDI format and imported it into a DAW (I use Cakewalk Sonar Artist). In Cakewalk, some of the instrumental tracks can be volume adjusted and other tracks cannot. Does this have anything to do with the Musescore file which was converted into the MIDI format. I want to record audio voices over the Musecore tracks. Is this the right way to do it or is there a better way?


Pls. add the following:
1. A sample MSCZ file
2. The midi file was exported.
and specify which channels are not adjust in your DAW. (and add some screenshots if possible.)
And specify which SoundFont your DAW uses.

That is: it helps to figure out the problem (instead of some guessings)

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

Sample file Gen.mscz
Attached are the sample files. One is the mscz file and the other is the mid file. On the DAW, tracks 5, 8, 9 and 10 do not allow a volume change. The other tracks do allow such a change. I am using Cakewalk TTS files. The track order is
1 Flute
2 Oboe
3 Clarinet
4 Fr Horn
5 Trumpet
6 Violine
7 Viola
8 Cello
9 Bass

I hope that helps.


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Sample file Gen.mid 4.52 KB

In reply to by fredcooper46

Okay, the problem is clear.
When Musescore export a midi file, it writes the information on some tracks as several times (on multi channels).
These instruments are usually:
Strings (normal, pizz, tremolo) x3 (three separate channels)
Trumpet (normal, mute) x2 (two separate channels)

If a specific midi channel is defined for that track (in DAW), all the multi-channel information goes together with the specifically defined channel. ch6, ch7, ch8 => ch6
When you change the volume in DAW, this information changes only from the earliest data values.
Since the following data values have not changed, they have no effect.

There are two solutions:
1. (if possible) you set the midi channel of these tracks to n/a (multi channel)
2. (If you do not use techniques like pizz, tremolo or mute) delete the extra information from these tracks. (with event edit) => see attached file: Corrected with the 2nd

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In reply to by fredcooper46

on DAW side...

Help for Sonar X3: https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X3&language=3&he…

If you don't have the event-list feature in "Sonar-Artist", you can do it with a free midi editor. http://openmidiproject.osdn.jp/sekaiju_en.html

in Sekaiju:

Open midi file.

Right-click on the channel and click: "Show This Tracks Event List Window"
see: event-list-001.png

example: If note messages are in channel 8; so that the top 9th and 11th channel messages can be safely deleted. click on channel 9, hit delete multiple times.
see: event-list-002.png

it should look like this when the extra channel information is deleted.
see: event-list-003.png

You should do the same operation on other tracks.

Remember to "save as" with a different name when you are finished.

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event-list-003.png 43.81 KB

In reply to by Ziya Mete Demircan

Ziya: You are a genius, indeed. I got into the Event editor in Cakewalk Sonar Artist. As it turned out, all I had to do was determine the midi channel for each of the affected tracks and delete the events at the top of the event list which referred to channels other than the channels with the note entries and it worked! Many thanks to you.

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