Stealth Ties
Ties which have been made invisible do not always display when using "Show Invisible".
e.g. in bar 2 there is a tie from beat 1 to beat 4 on the open 5th string.
The tie plays correctly. There is (accidentally) a hidden rhythm stem on the 4th beat, in voice 2, and unhiding this corrects the problem. However, this also occurs in other places further on in the score where the stems are intentionally hidden.
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Unfortunately, you still persist in a dead end. Wanting to combine the display of three voices, and a reading that would also go, in a TAB, cannot work. The displayed rhythm is wrong, it is misleading guitarists.
This is not the fault of MuseScore, or any other program. It is simply the limit of the Tablature system. Historically, all rhythmic figures were indicated on the same line, above the staff, it was up to the player to deduce the organization and the duration of the different voices (polyphony)
Now, with software like MuseScore, you can now display two voices, one above the staff, and the other below. And that's it! How and where display the rhythm for a third or even fourth voice?!
But you keep at it. You waste time, a lot of time for an incorrect result.
I found a recent version, 2011, of Hallelujah (arrangement for guitar by Michael Langer, but in G). You notice that it is displayed in two voices. That's the right thing to do.
Which could work with your version (by adding let rings to improve the playback - and really, it's very good like that, and it's done quickly and well): Halleluj let1.mscz
In reply to Unfortunately, you still… by cadiz1
I am well aware that it can written in 2 voices but it will not playback correctly without many adjustments in the piano roll editor or many hidden, tied notes - some of which I have used. If the MS "let ring" option worked properly then 2 voices would be fine. and I would do it in 2 voices.
This has nothing to do with the limitations of tab. There is no need for the rhythm in voices 3 and 4. Tab only guitarists have been successfully playing plain text tab with no rhythm info for years. I have shown rhythm for the bass and melody and I expect anyone who knows the song would find that it makes senses. I may add some rhythm from the harmony to match the 6/8 time signature.
The quaver symbol above the staff at the end of bar 2 is a mistake on my part which I have somehow introduced when cutting down my main score for this example.
The example score that you show would not playback well as computer MIDI output because most of the (non-bass) notes would sound truncated. As music for a guitarist it would be fine because fingerstyle playing naturally lets notes ring.
I do not appreciate your rude, condescending tone when I have explained all this in previous threads and I am ONLY doing this to work around bugs in MS. It is far from a dead-end but it is a means to an end. Yes, it is a waste of time, but until the "let ring" bugs are fixed I am prepared to waste this time.
You haven't even done me the courtesy of addressing the issue that I raised. Maybe it has been brought to light by 'incorrect' scoring but it does seem to be a bug.
:-(
In reply to I am well aware that it can… by yonah_ag
"I am well aware that it can written in 2 voices but it will not playback correctly without many adjustments in the piano roll editor or many hidden, tied notes - some of which I have used. "
Well then, that's the way to do it. The "let ring" works, you give an inordinate importance to this playback aspect that the TAB does not require at all. This is certainly not what TAB amateur guitarists are looking for.
As for the rude/condescenting tone, it is in no way intentional on my part. It's just that seeing you continue to wast so much time (and with the piano roll now) for things I (and TAB guitarists) consider as secondary hurts my heart. Frankly, you have better things to do than trying all these contortions to get an incorrect result. And I would be happy if you would realize this and take more peaceful paths.
That's what I think. Unfortunately, you took it the wrong way :(
In reply to "I am well aware that it can… by cadiz1
Sorry to bother you, maybe one last time :)
When you say: "I have shown rhythm for the bass and melody and I expect anyone who knows the song would find that it makes senses. [...] The quaver symbol above the staff at the end of bar 2 is a mistake on my part"*
Makes senses ? Well, may be, may be not. It's a gamble that musicians should be spared, I think. And it's not just in measure 2. It's all over your scores, the ones I could see on your account.
![VOIX.jpg]( "VOIX.jpg")
For example, here is measure 2, so: the rhythm shows one eighth note too many above the staff, but two are missing below.
At measure 4, one is missing above, but one too many below.
Let me insist: the rhythm displayed above the staff, as well as below, must contain the exact number of beats you want for a time signature (2 beats, or 6 eighth notes here in 6/8). Otherwise, it is a clear risk of confusion for any guitar player.
For example, you can get (all complete 6/8 visible above and below the staff.)
And I'll leave you alone now: )
In reply to Sorry to bother you, maybe… by cadiz1
The missing one below the staff is a crotchet on beat 4 and is hidden. It should not be but has come about with me trying to find a workaround for the invisible tie.
So, to check that I understand correctly: in order to avoid confusion for musicians who read notation I need to ensure that the rhythm beats above and below both total 6 eighth notes. Therefore I should not just show the melody's rhythm above stave but also the harmony.
In reply to "I am well aware that it can… by cadiz1
"Let ring" functions more like a guitar pedal applied to a single string rather than a guitar sustain.
However, I do agree that my process is somewhat contorted and time consuming and it's of no use in score viewing or printing. I post some of my scores on YouTube and I want them to sound as good as possible. To this end I post them as GP playback and thereby sacrifice all the nice formatting that MS can do. Perhaps a better solution would be to score in 2 voices and then combine the MS visual with GP audio for YouTube.
In reply to "Let ring" functions more… by yonah_ag
" in order to avoid confusion for musicians who read notation I need to ensure that the rhythm beats above and below both total 6 eighth notes."
Both 6 eighth notes and/or rests above and below. That's right! :)
Otherwise, it's incomprehensible to any guitarist who discovers the score - image below. Below, you have the rhythm of a dotted quarter note and an eighth note (two eighth notes are missing, or two rests). Above, you have a eighth rest + 2 eighth notes (total 3 eighth "notes"), plus a dotted quarter note, and another eighth note, so one too many.
I'm glad you can think of other possible alternatives for your scores on YT.
About the tie, sorry, I just haven't had time to look into it yet.
In reply to " in order to avoid… by cadiz1
These errors are only in the excerpt for this support issue but I have generally only marked melody rhythm in the full score. I will correct this. I have checked the bass voice and the rhythm marking is correct in the full score.
Perhaps the "let ring" option could be updated and work similar to TablEdit's "Ringing Note". This would would really help with the playback when scoring in 2 voices. In MS the PRE can do this but is a long-winded process.