How to show more than one clef/key signature
It was a common practice back in the day of Telemann to show two different clefs and key signatures at the start of a flute piece so it could be played on different instruments. A flute player would use the key signature next to the treble clef, and a recorder player would use the key signature next to the French violin clef (G on the bottom line).
I have included an example image of what I want to do (actually, it has 3 clefs, but you will get the idea). The second image is what I came up with. I can not figure out how to close the space between the two clefs. I know how to turn the visibility off for the measure rests, but the space remains.
This is my first attempt at a score in MuseScore, so go easy on me!
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Are all those clefs expected on every system, or just the first?
If it's just the first then I'd opt for using symbols from the master palette symbols section and attaching them to the first segment of the first measure whilst giving the time signature additional leading space to accommodate for those symbols:
What is slightly unclear here is that for the accidentals I reclicked one and Ctrl-clicked the other to have both selected when changing their offsets (highlighting isn't visible there because they are stacked underneath the previously added accidentals).
Example score attached.
In reply to Are all those clefs expected… by jeetee
As I understand the custom, the clefs are shown only on the first system.
Thank you so very much; I learned a LOT from your help here! I was able to mimic your steps and create the proper look. However, the key signature being used is the left-most one, whereas it needs to be right-most one. In the image I have attached, you will see what I mean: if the key signature of G where being honored all those accidentals would go away.
I am guessing what needs to be done is draw the fake key signature on the left, and somehow move the real key signature to the right. I will go try that right now.
In reply to As I understand the custom,… by tpgettys
Hm, I'm getting close, but I don't understand what is going on. When I select the time signature and set the x-offset to -4, the time signature does not move; instead the stuff on the left moves to the right.
In reply to Hm, I'm getting close, but I… by tpgettys
Forgot the screen captures; here they are.
In reply to Hm, I'm getting close, but I… by tpgettys
The reason for seeing the other stuff move right rather than the time signature left when using it's X-offset is as follows:
In MuseScore things are laid out using vertical "segments" which contain everything happening at the same moment in time in a measure (across all staves). The time signature lives in its own segment ("vertical rectangle"), when you attempt to move it to the left, that rectangle becomes wider (to accomodate it and all else included in it, which is nothing else in this case). The position of the segment itself though doesn't change (it's already the left-most thing).
In reply to The reason for seeing the… by jeetee
OK, I certainly did not know that! I that described somewhere in the handbook?
The question remains, however, as to how to move the time signature left.
In reply to OK, I certainly did not know… by tpgettys
I think I figured it out: reduce the leading space on the time signature to move it left, and then reduce the x offset to move the stuff right that got pushed left when the time signature moved.
In reply to I think I figured it out:… by tpgettys
Aw jeez, sorry. If you look at the attached image, you will see that everything looks pretty good as far as the clefs, keys and time signature. However there is some extra space in from of the time signature that I can get control of. I thought maybe I could move the barline, but it seems fixed in place.
This has turned out to be a very good exercise, as I am learning a lot about MuseScore. Thank you for your continued assistance.
In reply to Aw jeez, sorry. If you look… by tpgettys
Forgot the attachment again - grrr!
In reply to Forgot the attachment again … by tpgettys
The same idea still applies. But now instead of adding leading space to the time signature, add it to the key signature instead; thus creating space between it and the preceding barline.
Then again add the clefs as symbols to the measure and position them as required.
In reply to The same idea still applies… by jeetee
Got it. Thank you for all your help jeetee!