Nikod Kametz in Hebrew

• Jul 25, 2023 - 17:22

In the Hebrew language, when punctuating the words, Kametz opens the "File" tab instead of punctuating.
:כאשר מנסים לנקד קמץ ָ נפתח התפריט קובץ בכיוון שמקש הקיצור לניקוד הקמץ הוא
Alt + e (ק)


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I'm not familiar with the detail of the input system used for Hebrew on your particular system, but in general. you should be relying on Alt+letter shortcuts - they are reserved by most applications for menu mnemonics. So hopefully there is something else you can use to enter those characters other than Alt+E.

In reply to by yotamgonen098

Hmm, are you sure? Most input systems I am aware of are configurable, and it would seem irresponsible of someone to go to the trouble of designing one that could only work with shortcuts that are known to not work. If the specific system you are using doesn't implement this, maybe there is an alternate one that does? Is this something built into your particular OS, or some software that came with a particular keyboard, or independent third party software of some kind?

In reply to by Henk De Groot

Operating systems normally take control of menu mnemonics; they are not handled directly by most applications. MuseScore is a bit of an exception in that it does implement some of its own menu system, but it tries to obey standard conventions. And it's important to be able to open menus even while editing text. For example, I'm typing into an edit box in Chrome right now and pressed Alt+E and it opened a menu just as it would if keyboard focus were anywhere else. Consider, if you couldn't operate the Edit menu while typing text, you wouldn't be able to access the commands there via keyboard navigation. This would be a no go for accessibility.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Why would you need a command from such Edit menu? You are typing/editting text, so really can't think of any item you would need (except for those you need to edit text). As for Chrome...you don't put the browser into "edit" mode, so makes perfect sense it acts upon the Alt+E and the associated action defined in Chrome.

In reply to by Henk De Groot

Cut, copy, paste are all commands in the Edit menu of most programs. You might also need to access commands for things like adding particular types of formatting. Or the help menu, or the file menu. These commands all need to be accessible while editing text, including by keyboard. Menu mnemonics have been the way to do that ever since the first commercially available windowing systems back in the 1980's. Really, it's pretty much universal in every program I have ever used - and I suspect every program you have ever used as well. Menu mnemonics don't work by picking and choosing which commands to allow - they allow you to traverse the entire menu structure. Some individual menu items might be greyed out and thus not available while editing, but the menu mnemonics for opening the menus in the first place are simply not negotiable. They have to work.

As for Chrome, no, there isn't a separate "mode" for editing as there is with MuseScvore, but certainly there is a difference in the behavior of various keystrokes depending on if I'm in a text edit field or not. For instance, the Up/Down cursor keys move a text cursor if I'm in a text edit field, but they scroll the page otherwise. Other programs like MuseScore may also be single-letter commands such as "I" for the instrument list that are disabled while editing text. But breaking menu mnemonics is just not acceptable - these need to work whether editing text or not.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

As far as I searched I did not find a way to change these shortcuts.
These shortcuts used to be Alt+number, but they've been changed to Alt+the first letter of the score name to make it easier to remember which key creates which score.
For example: Alt + ק (E) = קמץ ( ָ).
In addition, the key to the right of the key of the first letter is used to write the score similar to it.
For example" Alt + ר (R) = חטף קמץ ( ֳ).
In addition, we use \ for ֻ , w for שׁ, q for שׂ.
As far as I know it is built into the Hebrew language interface of winows it is not an independent software.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niqqud#Keyboard

In reply to by yotamgonen098

These ALT+letter shortcuts for the menu items are part of the Hebrew translation for MuseScore and when there are "known" conflicts, they can be updated getting the Hebrew translation updated.

Not sure what you mean by "score name", thinking you mean menu item.
Here an example of the File translation:

hebrew-file.png

The & in the text changes the letter next to it into the ALT+letter.

In reply to by Henk De Groot

I mean the names of the Niqqud types, you can see them on Wikipedia In the link I attached in the previous comment, I don't know exactly how to explain it because I don't really know English anyway (I use google translate), but I guess on Wikipedia they explain it well.
I can liken these marks to the punctuation letters in English which both make the sounds A,E,O,U,I.

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