Adding a second (cue) clef on the first measure
I'm writing down some music sheet for trombone.
At the beginning of the first bar of a movement, I would like to add a second clef, a treble clef for a clarinet cue. I'm trying to produce the result show in the attached image.
If I try to change the clef, MuseScore removes the bass clef, and also changes the courtesy key at the end of the previous section.
The way I have done it so far is a bit ugly : I've increased the bar's duration, adding a 1/8th note, added the treble clef after this note, and then set this additional note as invisible... It produces the correct Pdf, but there is surely a better way.
Edit: adding the .mscz file, it' on the 6/8. I tried selecting the first note instead of the bar It does not work.
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Comments
I think you may have selected the measure before adding the clef. That will indeed replace the existing clef.
Instead of selecting the measure, select only the first rest (or note) and then click on the bass clef in the pallet.
In reply to I think you may have… by SteveBlower
I did try, and here it doesn't work. I've tried on some other empty bars, and sometime it does work as intended, but when I add the key and time signatures changes, then it doesn't work anymore.
At least in MuS 3 you can do this by selecting the first note or rest and then setting the new clef.
![Clef.png]( "Clef.png")
It works except of the missing key signature which still applies to the bass notation.
FYI I'm using MuseScore 4.2
In reply to FTI I'm using MuseScore 4.2 by Thomas Lesgourgues
Leave the first measure empty but make the measure rest and the first barline invisible. You can add a key signature and time signature to the second measure without changing the initial key signature. You would also need to exclude the first measure from the measure count in the measure properties.
It sort of works but the spacing looks a bit wacky.
Perhaps this should be a feature request on GitHub. Something like "Allow a clef/key signature/time signature change to be shown in the first measure in addition to the existing initial clef/key signature/time signature" and describing your use case.
In reply to FTI I'm using MuseScore 4.2 by Thomas Lesgourgues
Workaround:
1. Add section break into previous measure.
2. Add treble clef as you did before (now it will not replace bass clef)
3. Remove section break
That's what you need?
In reply to Workaround: 1. Add section… by mercuree
Hi, yes that worked thanks! Strange behaviour, do you have an explanation ?
In reply to Hi, yes that worked thanks!… by Thomas Lesgourgues
I found out that this works for the first measure, then suggested that section break could simulate the first measure.
It worked in Musescore 4.0.2 (after fixing this issue https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/14610 at least).
Since then developers changed its behavior or this is a regression.
In reply to I found out that this works… by mercuree
Hey, Following up, the behaviour is much stranger! They clef is indeed still there, but it is not "registered" by Musescore : the bar and the following are still in bass clef. If a type a "C" it writes a C in bass clef...
Actually, I think I broke the software ^^ The clef are changing when I press "M", switching the bar rest from multibar rest to normal. it sometimes add three of four clefs that I cannot remove, it changes every time i press M, then it crashes...
In reply to Hey, Following up, the… by Thomas Lesgourgues
Works for me. Can't reproduce. It works even after save/reopen.
In reply to Works for me. Can't… by mercuree
yeah I gave up. Thanks for the help anyway, I'll try to write a bug report later. Every time I open/close the file, its behaviour changes. In the end I had 5 Treble clefs written in a row ^^.
In reply to yeah I gave up. Thanks for… by Thomas Lesgourgues
Can you attach musescore file again? It's hard to guess how you ended up in this state, but I'll try
Is it really necessary to repeat the key signature after the inserted treble clef? In normal notation for a single instrument, clef changes always occur on their own without a confirming key signature.
![Cue_passages.png]( "Cue_passages.png")
In reply to Is it really necessary to… by DanielR
I did not asked for the key signature to be repeated. My issue is is inserting a treble clef after the bass clef, while the key signature changed compared to the previous bar. Selecting the first note and trying to change the clef does not work.
In reply to I don't need/want to repeat… by Thomas Lesgourgues
Click on the 2nd rest then add a Treble clef
Select the 1st rest, go to the Properties tab, turn off Auto-place
Click on Appearances and set Leading space to 1.5
Select the clef, into Properties, off with Auto-place, offset (horizontal) -3
![Screenshot_20240214_154552.png]( "Screenshot_20240214_154552.png")