Help V3 to V4 - Lots of How To's I cant seem to find - Help ?
Hi all,
Been using v3 for what seems like forever now, but about to make change to v4 and so many things are either missing or I cant find them. I'm reading the manual but its not really helping here....If anyone can answer these basic things that'd help immensely. Thanks in advance.
1). Soundfonts.
This seems totally different. I understand it sorta works. For v3 we created our own soundfont by recording all our own instruments. Thus for playback we hear what it sort of will sound like for us. But v4, although it sees the font only works properly with the first instrument in the font (our trumpet). The others work sometimes.
I read somewhere that I have to break this soundfont into multiple single instruments or sounds.
Is that correct ?
2) Stave text
This used to offer the ability to change a voice but in v4 that's gone ?
We used this for things like muted guitar etc.
3) Mixer
The v3 mixer allows me to expand things. E.G for a guitar I could use
Open, Distortion, Overdrive etc. and set the sounds accordingly.
The v4 mixer doesn't have this ?
I guess this is partly tied up with voices like stave text
Again, apologies if this is all basic and "nooby" questions but its the daft things like this that are stopping us migrating.
Comments
What format is your font. Sf2 or sf3 should work. Did you make it in something like Polyphone? Just to see how the system works, install something like SSO into the soundfonts folder in MU4. Open a new score with a few instruments. Open the Mixer. At the top of a channel, scroll over just to the right of the instrument name. Select the down arrow that appears. Select Sound fonts>SSO>bank O. you should see all the instruments that SSO has.
Palettes>Text>Instrument change. You may have to select View>Palettes first. While you are there, select Properties also. This take the place of the inspector.
If you don't have muse sounds, guitars will come from Muse Basic. Select where you want the distortion to start. Go to Palettes>Text>Distortion.
In reply to What format is your font… by bobjp
bobjp,
Thanks for replying.
Yes its an sf2 format. Was built using polyphone. It includes all our instruments.
They do show up in the drop downs but, when lots are selected and I press play it mostly only plays the first instrument in the list (Trumpet) and just doesnt play the others. Sometimes it will. Its very unreliable.
I guess its instrument change then going forward and not the stave text to change voice to something.
I often used two voices on guitar parts. One for the guitar sound and voice 2 for muted. This was ace for parts that have 'dead' notes in a lead line or quick strumming. See the attachment picture. This shows the guitar part. Note that those dead notes 'x' are on voice 2 and its set to Palm Muted. It plays ace. Is it now that in MS4 that I have to put in lots of change instruments to achieve this ?
Or is there a way of having the different voices play different sounds ?
I do have muse sounds
In reply to bobjp, Thanks for replying. … by paulfurze
I don't write for guitar. Someone will be along who does. They can answer your questions better than I.
If you like, post your font in a zip file and we can take a look at it.
In reply to I don't write for guitar… by bobjp
I just read on another post that soundfonts with multiple instruments have issues. Apparently its an ongoing thing. They work fine if its just the first instrument sound in a font.
The guitar mute would be the same for say a trumpet. Normally when I put stave text in to say "With mute" or such I can just tell it to change voice 1 to a muted trumpet. Then change it back after the muted part. Seems that in V4 this is a full change instrument text.
In reply to I just read on another post… by paulfurze
For those that may need to see this
Sussed the soundfont thing !!
M3 click on a bar everything plays.
M4 click on a bar, the mixer auto mutes everything else.
To get everything to play just click on a note.
Im now looking into how to change that so I can turn it off. We have Solo and Mute buttons already these no need to have it auto doing stuff :(
For those looking at the same issues.
The Handbook for V4 says its not yet possible to assign different sounds to different voices on the same stave.
Which for me is a total "Drat!" thing as I use that to do dead notes in guitar stuff.
The workaround... is to put the notes in your score and set them to not play.
Create a 2nd stave with just those notes and set it to play.
hopefully this'll get fixed soon
In reply to For those looking at the… by paulfurze
If you have the Muse Sounds installed, simply change the notehead to an X to get a muted strum/pluck. With the default MuS sounds, I have not found a way to get the muted sound at all. The Muse Sounds guitars sound MUCH better than the default ones too.
In reply to If you have the Muse Sounds… by TheHutch
Bingo!
That's ace! Thank you so much. Did not know that.
Thank you so much.