seconds not shown well

• Oct 19, 2014 - 07:50

In MuseScore 2.0 beta 1, when you have the system for piano, the seconds are not shown well. In the attachment you find a picture, the "g" should be on one line with the "c sharp" in the base line and the "e" and the "a" should be a bit more right. In a single voice, this problem does not appear. In MuseScore 1.3 there is the same problem. I hope, this problem will be corrected in the final version of MuseScore 2.0.

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For a chord with an interval of a second:
In your example image, the 'G' on the treble staff could be considered a displaced note. That is, had the notes been written as a chord on a single downward stem, the 'G' would be positioned on the opposite side of the stem from the other notes.
Here's an image showing the chord as whole notes. and then as half notes:

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As you can see, the properly placed note heads are aligned on the two staves.

Regards.

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In reply to by kae

If you enter the notes, select the whole measure (just the stave with the three notes chord) and press [Shift]-x then x (to "flip" the notes first horizontally and the vertically about the imaginary stem) and then select just the G and [Shift]-x you should (I think) get what you want.

An alternative is to enter the A and E and then enter the G in the Second Voice.

In reply to by kae

You can double click on a note and using the left/right arrow keys, you can position the note horizontally and/or you can do the same by adjusting the 'horizontal offset' in the Inspector.

Having said that, I'm a bit confused as to what you really want.
1. Your very first post says: 'the "g" should be on one line with the "c sharp" in the base line and the "e" and the "a" should be a bit more right.'
2. Then, you wrote:'I want to have the E, the A and the C sharp aligned and the G a bit right...'
To me, that's two different ways - in addition to the MuseScore default.

3. Underquark's post produces another - the bass 'C' and treble 'G' aligned together, though different from #1.

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So, the possibilities exist - you just have to choose the correct one according to your school of thought (or reference manual).

Regards.

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In reply to by Jm6stringer

#1, #2, and #3 are all incorrect. The rules for how seconds should be laid out are quite clear. Diagonals go up-and-to-the-right, and the notes on the *correct* side of the stem (imaginary as the stem might be in this case) are suppsoed to align. In this in case, the (imaginary) stem is down, and the E and A are on the correct side of the stem, the G is the only note of the chord that had to be flipped. Therefore, it is the E and A that must be aligned with the C# in the LH. Jm6stringer's picture illustrates this perfectly.

Which is to say, MuseScore is doing it correctly here.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Could you tell me exactly what I have to do for that version (That I have learned in school):
G, E and the C sharp in base on one line, the A a bit more right. This I have written also in my first post, but that was very unclear. Please show me and tell me and I´ll be very happy.
I say thanks already now.
kae

In reply to by kae

The correct position depends on the stem direction as well as whether there are multiple voices, but again, the correct result happens by default already in all of these cases. If you enter a C into the bass clef staff, then E, G, A (bottom to top starting with bottom line) onto the treble clef staff, you *will* get the correct arrangement: the C, E, and G all aligned, the A to the right. You don't have to do anything special to get this to happen - it happens automatically. If the E is on the top space, however, that changes the stem direction from up to down, and that means the correct answer changes as well. Now, the correct answer is for the E and A to be aligned, and the G to be the left. Anything else would be wrong. You *must* consider the stem direction when determining how to arrange notes. But again, you should not ever have to do *anything* special to get the right answer - MuseScore 2.8 Beta/Nightly should get the correct answer in virtually every conceivable case.

In reply to by kae

Do you mean if you enter them all into one staff? C#-E-G-A, bottom to top? If so, then the arrangement you describe is inccorect. If the stem is *up*, the C#-E-G should align on the proper (left) side of the stem, with the A on the right. If the stem is *down, the C#-E-A should align on the propert (right) side of the stem, with the G on the left. The important thing is that the diagonal between G-A do up-and-to-the-right, so the G will *always* be on the left and the A *always) on the right:

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Again, MuseScore gets this right. We woirked very hard to maqke it obey the rules. In general, you should not ever need to mess with it.

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