Cautionary accidentals
Version 0.9.7 doesn't seem to allow a note to be shown as sharp or flat if that is what the key signature dictates the note already is.
In version 0.9.5 it was possible to do this.
Obviously strictly speaking 0.9.7 is correct in its notation but it often is useful to remind players. Is it possible to force the sharp or flat to be shown somehow?
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Just to clarify a stable version 0.9.6 is not yet released although there are prereleases available . Version 0.9.7 does not exist.
The method described in the handbook works for me using r. 3003 nightly build, Windows 7. See Accidental .
In reply to Just to clarify a stable by David Bolton
Dunno how I managed to type 0.9.7. I did mean 0.9.6.
The method described doesn't seem to work in 0.9.6 revision 2811 but if it works in r3003, then great.
Thanks for your help.
In reply to Just to clarify a stable by David Bolton
I am afraid I also can not get the cautionary accidentals to work in this version. Is there a workaround - or should I just wait for a bugfix.
By the way, I downloaded Version 0.9.5 Mac OS X
I got Unstable Prerelease for Version: 0.9.6 Revision 2811
In reply to Macintosh Version 0.9.6 Revision 2811 by kbundies
And as I said previously it also works ok in the current stable version (v0.9.5).
So I guess it was just a bug that crept into the beta 2 (v0.9.6 r2811).
The only workarounds I know of are either to revert to 0.9.5 or to use one of the nightly builds (but of course that may have more serious problems).
In reply to It does work on 0.9.6 r3005 (on Windows 7 anyway) by Paulb_
I switched back to 0.9.5 and got the cautionary accidentals to work :-)
0.9.5 did actually not display my 0.9.6 score right, so I had to go back to 0.9.6 and save the score as .xml then later import into 0.9.5 and it displayed fine.
But: MIDI input (from my keyboard) did not work anymore - so switched back forward to 0.9.6 (where the cautionary accidentals were gone again) - and are waiting patiently for a little bug fix.
Thanks anyway.
In reply to It does work on 0.9.6 r3005 (on Windows 7 anyway) by Paulb_
The workaroiund that I use, and I jjust checked it on r3003, is to select the note that I want to add the accidental to and then double click the accidental that I want to select from the bar at the top of the score.
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In reply to The workaroiund by xavierjazz
Xavier, I am afraid the workaround does not work in revision 2811.
If I select the note and double click the accidental at the top - what happens is: After the first of the two clicks the note is deselected so the second click has no effect :-(
In reply to workaround not possible here by kbundies
you're right.
I have a situation where I'm in Gm, and in one bar I have the B being a natural, and then a Bb in the same bar - cannot add the flat sign to the Bb, so I looks as if it should be a B natural.
r3003.
In reply to Just to clarify a stable by David Bolton
See attached file.
Bar 18: there should be a Bb in the last 1/8th of the treble clef. I cannot set one.
In reply to R3003 doesn't work for me - XP by xavierjazz
Xavierjazz, maybe this is a problem left over from the bugs in earlier prereleases. Clicking on the B natural in bar 18, pressing the arrow keys, Up and then back Down, fixed the problem. (Tested using r. 3013 nightly, Windows 7).
In reply to Xavierjazz, maybe this is a by David Bolton
I'm using 3003. It's just not working for me????
In reply to Xavierjazz, maybe this is a by David Bolton
I just downloaded 3013 and tried it.
No joy.
To be sure I'm clear, there are 3 B's in the bar:
1st = Bb
2nd = B natural
3rd should = Bb but it does not work for me. I'm on XP. Could that be the problem?
Regards,
EDIT:
I just tried altering the 2nd B in the bar. When I moved it, the 3rd B appeared as a B natural, although I had made sure to raise and lower it to Bb. I moved #3 to Bb now and then move #2 to B natural. The accidental appeared as needed.
Whoopee!
Regards,
In reply to 3013 by xavierjazz
actually, also the opposite is happening in the same score.
The piece is in G-Major = one sharp
bar 2: have a look in the example: I can not get rid of the two unnecessary naturals (without the note being changed to f-sharp)
bar 3: I would like to add a cautionary f-sharp, but I can’t
In reply to also: unwanted cautionary accidentals by kbundies
I fixed it.
I first went to the first F natural and lowered and re-raised it. I then did the same with the other 2 F naturals.
Attached is the result.
r3013 - XP
Regards.
In reply to I fixed by xavierjazz
thanks Xavier,
I opened your file and it correctly shows only the first natural in bar 2 (I also checked correct playback).
But:
1.) I can’t replicate your method. If I lower the first f-natural in my score, it turns into e, if I then raise it again it turns into f-natural. The exact same happens with note 3 and 4 - so no luck.
2.) And now the real magic: If, in your fixed version, I try to add a cautionary # in _bar three_ in front of the f-sharp, suddenly the f-naturals appear _in the second bar_, first in front of the third note, then (at the next try) in front of the last note of that bar.
So there is a somehow backwards influence of the input...
- this all on Mac version 0.9.6 rev 2811 -
In reply to magic? by kbundies
Now I'm curious.
My understanding is that you want 3 F naturals in that bar.
Am I wrong?
Please attach the new problem.
Regards,
In reply to Now I'm by xavierjazz
but of course only one cautionary accidental before the first f-natural
In reply to yes, three f-naturals - by kbundies
I believe that you are referring to the F in the lower staff with the arrow pointing to it.
Do you want to add a sharp before it?
As to the attachment, I can't experiment with a .png file. Pleae upload a Musescore file .
Regards,
In reply to I'm still confused by xavierjazz
Xavier,
thank you for answering.
These *.png (Portable Network Graphics ) are just screenshots I made-nothing to edit.
My wish would be for bar 2 to look as in this screenshot (i.e. one natural in front of the first f - which should of course be valid for the following notes in that bar, too).
In bar 3 I do wish a (cautionary) # sharp in front of the f-sharp (otherwise one might play an f-natural by mistake). That is my real problem - getting this cautionary # in bar 3 last note.
- As you can see in my score version, in bar two we have the correct f-natural, but the two following notes play back as f-sharps.
In reply to screenshot by kbundies
I played the piece. The F naturals in the upper staff WERE inaccurate. I fixed them using the method I described previously.
I then added the cautionary accidental in the lower staff by selecting the note and SINGLE clicking the sharp sign on the toolbar. I then dragged the parentheses from the accidental palette.
XP - r3003.
Regards,
In reply to Here you are by xavierjazz
Xavier,
I think we have located the problem: it must be the different versions we use.
The bug is definitively present in my Version 2811!
I can not add a # in the third bar and consequently no parentheses - it just does not work.
At the same time - trying to fix bar three - in bar 2 these two unnecessary naturals appear in front of the two last f-s again.
I will just have to wait until a newer version for Mac OSX will come out.
Just out of curiosity: could you send me your last version - with # but without parentheses in bar 3- again?
In reply to r3003 against r2811 by kbundies
I checked the version number and Iam actually using r3013.
XP
Regards,
In reply to Here by xavierjazz
Xavier,
r.3013 - even better.
I made a screen recording and uploaded it to this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DnDz1HXe2o
You will probably only see something, if you watch it full screen.
You will see right in the beginning, how bar 2 changes, whilst I move the f-sharp in bar 3.
Also reapplying an accidental in bar 3 does not work...