help needed: unknown glissando sign
Hello!
I own an manuscript of a classical orchestra composition from 1958 which I now want to set into musescore. In this composition there is a glissando writing that I have never seen before and I don't know how to put it into musescore. The sign appears in the string section (violins, viola, cello, double bass). I made a photo and attached it. I would be grateful if you could have a look and give me an advice.
Thanks and best,
Tobias
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Maybe I have to make clear that not the glissando sign itself is my problem, but why are there demisemiquavers at the start and end of the glissando but the duration of that glissando should be a minim (its a 4/4 time measure).
Is that a tremolo at two crotchets?
In reply to Maybe I have to make clear by violinconcerto
I think what this Notation is trying to get accross ist that each note in the way from the bottom to the top one is played as a demisemiquaver? In MuseScore you'd still notate them as crochets
In reply to Maybe I have to make clear by violinconcerto
Guessing the interval span as G#—C, and 12-note octave, the glissando comprises 5 tones (G#—A—Bb—B—C). It is then a bit curious to set its outer duration in 32nd notes. We do not see the whole measure and have no different part to compare horizontally, so are you certain the glissando is not intended as a composite accacciatura? That would explain the short duration, but shift the minim to 1st or 2nd beat of the measure.
In reply to Guessing the interval span by HenJor
Thanks for your comments. I see that it might be helpful to see a bit more of the composition and so I made a photo of three bars of the string sectiopn with the "special part" in the middle. But one can also see in the next bar that there is a similar writing now in the duration of a crotchet. So it is used several times either this or the other (minim) way.
Does that make anything more understandable?
Best,
Tobias
In reply to Thanks for your comments. I by violinconcerto
Yes, that is informative. The author seems to have set for 32nds as notational standard, maybe to stress visually the difference not between glissandi of various speed & ‘height’, but between glissando & portamento. (You may want to check these against eachother throughout.) So, the OP glissando thought of in realization as a chromatic 5-tuplet is an on-paper illusion for the on-stage even sweep.
In reply to Yes, that is informative. The by HenJor
Yes, the author uses glissando and portamento as well and indicates it in words on the glissando bar (like in the pictures "gl.". So I think your thoughts are correct. So do you think I do just the same in musescore (and leave the "demisemiquavers") or how would your musescore realisation would look like?
Thanks again and best,
Tobias
In reply to Yes, the author uses by violinconcerto
Intention over notation. I would probably not follow the author’s notation, but for the OP glissando put in a half-note with glissando (and keep record of such digression). Or do the same but set it invisible, then overlay it in another voice with anything graphically according to original, and set it mute.
In reply to Intention over notation. I by HenJor
OK, thanks for your thoughts!