End of Life plan for 3.x ?
I've been using 3.6.2 and it works fine for my simple needs; I'd rather not upgrade to 4.x.
I did some searching, but can't find anything mentioning how long support ( mostly interested in security fixes ) is planned for 3.x
Is there a support plan for 3.x?
thx
-tom
Reacties
It has been made pretty clear almost 2 years ago by the 'powers to be' (and much to my disagreement) that 3.6.2 will be the last 3.x release.
However, see my attemps at a 3.7 in https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/9000
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
My respect! It's known that a lot of time will pass until MS4 will become what it's meant to be (or even this will happen in MS5) so in the meanwhile I (and I suppose many others) will use intensively MS3.
Als antwoord op My respect! It's known that… van hstanekovic
Hear, hear!!
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
Good works!
I introduced this "Jojo's attempts for MuseScore 3.7.x" to Japanese Users.
https://musescore.org/ja/node/342324
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
I'm also hoping for an update to 3.7.x.
Als antwoord op I'm also hoping for an… van yamada_y
None is planned though
Als antwoord op I'm also hoping for an… van yamada_y
Too many things that were possible in version 3.6.2 but not in version 4.
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
Yeah, you definitely shouldn't stop support for 3.x.
1. It works on older machines.
2. It is fine for most 'old-school' composers, who don't use the computer as an aid/crutch to composing but us the computer as a pure notation tool to write already composed music.
3. It uses, what I suspect is the 'old code' that may be disorganized, but has 7 - 10 years of updates from users and programmers embedded into it.
4. It cannot be integrated with Musehub and is the last stand alone pure compositional aid.
I hope you can become a power to be and override this decision.
Als antwoord op Yeah, you definitely shouldn… van Unknown Prodigy
Als antwoord op [inline:OIP.jpg] van Jojo-Schmitz
Wouldn't it be nice to turn it into a fork, tell users about it and try to get some contributors and then keep its development side by side with the original MuseScore, maybe borrowing some useful codes and updates from it, but following your onw way?
Als antwoord op Wouldn't it be nice to turn… van fernandoamartin
I think it's a good way.
If Jojo(or someone) forks the project,
I'd like to contribute something there as a developer and a translator.
Especially in the field of CJK problem solving.
Even if I can't it, at least, I can be the introducer the fork project and its products to Japanese users.
Als antwoord op I think it's a good way. If… van knoike
I do have forked it (and do accept PRs to it, see https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/tree/master-to-3.x). But in my fork none of the GitHub CI (Continuous Integration) things exist, those are the ones building the artifacts, and also used to generate releases.
Setting up all that stuff, and possibly a separate site for distributing and supporting it, is something I currenlty don't fancy doing. So currently I just lean on the existing infrastructure.
Als antwoord op I have forked it. But in my… van Jojo-Schmitz
I see. I understood that the your forked project is centered on code repositry.
I also understood that I need to build it myself to get an executable binary for the time being.
I have some question.
0.
For convenience, I think the your repository/branch may need a unique and easy-to-call name.
For example, like "FRJ (forked repository by Jojo)" or "FCJ (bugfix collection by Jojo)".
Do you have already any idea?
1.
Where is the issue tracker for that repository/branch ?
2.
May I distribute the executable file I built for testing purposes?
Especially, to Japanese users.
Als antwoord op I see. I understood that the… van knoike
Every developer of MuseScore works on his/her own fork (only those that have write access to the MuseScore would not need to, but generally do too).
And no, you don't have to build it yourself, as PRs against the MuseScore repo are build for you (or me in the case of that {PR #9000 for a 3.7](https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/9000)
You would hoewver need a GitHub account in oder to be able to see and download the CI artifacts
0.
My fork is https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore. The branch with those changes for 3.7 is https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/tree/master-to-3.x, as I created a PPR from it (https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/9000), I can't rename it anymore
1.
My fork/repo doesn't have an issue tracker, because I haven_t created one. Not sure whether I want to...
2.
Yes! You can distribute your own ones as well as the artifacts from my (or anyone's) PR, there's nothing that could prevent you from doing this
Als antwoord op Every developer of MuseScore… van Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry, I'm talking about How to call it in the conversation, not repo name on GitHub.
For now, I decided to simply call it "3.7 repo" or "3.7 repo by Jojo".
It's easier than writing the URL every time.
Add a URL if necessary.
Als antwoord op [inline:OIP.jpg] van Jojo-Schmitz
Would a 3.7.Jojo be possible outside of musescore.org, e.g. a 64-bit Windows installation available on Github? I have seen the Github artifacts for 3.7 but I don't know how to install them. MS3 clearly has much life in it yet so it would be really nice to see bug fixes and security patches. Maybe it could continue for many years and become "Musescore Classic". Surely this would not need official approval.
Als antwoord op Would a 3.7.Jojo be possible… van yonah_ag
Musescore Classic is a pretty name. It reminds that it's still Musescore and allows for side by side maintenance in Linux repos and in local installs.
Als antwoord op Would a 3.7.Jojo be possible… van yonah_ag
+1 for that naming "MuseScore Classic".
(not Musescore Classic)
Als antwoord op +1 for that naming … van knoike
+1
Als antwoord op Would a 3.7.Jojo be possible… van yonah_ag
This is open source, what 'official' approval would one need? MuseCy does not 'own' the software.
But probably the name MuseScore could not be used in that case.
Why only Windows?
Als antwoord op This is open source, what … van graffesmusic
Windows was just an example - for personal reasons.
I can't see any need for approval but Jojo may know otherwise.
"MuseScore Classic" would be nice but, as you say, may not be allowed.
Als antwoord op Windows was just an example … van yonah_ag
I like MuseScore Classic. No idea whether it would be allowed, probably needs either a lawyer, or an official 'blessing' from MuseScore staff
Als antwoord op Windows was just an example … van yonah_ag
While the code itself is open under the GPL, probably the name MuseScore is a trademark so using it within a compound might be troublesome without the main MuseScore team (or Muse) blessing
Als antwoord op While the code itself is… van fmiyara
You are correct:
https://trademarks.justia.com/876/52/musescore-87652143.html
Als antwoord op Would a 3.7.Jojo be possible… van yonah_ag
The GitHub artifacts don't need to (and cannot) get installed, just unpack them (twice actually) and start by executing ...bin/MuseScore3.exe (in the Windows case), pretty similar to how the nightly builds work
Als antwoord op The GitHub artifacts don't… van Jojo-Schmitz
https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/actions
No executable is currently generated for 3.7.
Maybe yonah_ag is talking about this.
Do you have the plan for this?
Als antwoord op https://github.com/Jojo… van knoike
That's why I rely on the CI actions set up for the MuseScore repository for PRs, here for https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/9000
Als antwoord op https://github.com/Jojo… van knoike
I was just looking for an easy upgrade path. I am not familiar with CIs, PRs and nightly builds but will try to figure out what to do with Jojo's mention of using bin/musescore4.exe to update my 3.6.2 installation. Perhaps there are detailed instructions on Github somewhere.
Als antwoord op I was just looking for an… van yonah_ag
There's no upgrade path, just download and unpack that artifact and run the bin/MuseScore3.exe inside.
Its plugins, scores, templates etc. would be in Documents/MuseScore3Development
Als antwoord op There's no upgrade path,… van Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry, I could not find that artifact with bin/MuseScore3.exe inside for 3.7.
Can you tell me(us) the URL ?
Als antwoord op Sorry, I could not find that… van knoike
From https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/9000 to "Show all checks", then to "Details" of the platform you're interested in, here the latest for Windows: https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/actions/runs/3980051855/jobs/682…, there to "Summary" https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/actions/runs/3980051855 and there you'd find the artifacts for 64-bit, https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/suites/10512391754/artifacts/521… and 32-bit, https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/suites/10512391754/artifacts/521…
That gives you a .zip file, inside is a .7Z file, inside that a MuseScore-3-7-0-xxxxxxxxx directory, extract that, inside that go to bin, there you'll find MuseScore3.exe.
Yes, it is a bit of a pain...
Als antwoord op Frpom https://github.com… van Jojo-Schmitz
Will this upgrade my 3.6.2 or does it run as a separate, standalone version?
Als antwoord op Will this upgrade my 3.6.2… van yonah_ag
It is a separate standalone version
Als antwoord op It is a separate standalone… van Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks. Got it running and great to see that the 2000 length limit on notes in PRE has been removed. Now I have to reinstate my shortcuts and other preferences from 3.6.2.
Als antwoord op Thanks. Got it running and… van yonah_ag
You can probably just copy then accross
Als antwoord op You can probably just copy… van Jojo-Schmitz
Got my settings and shortcuts working.
Does 3.7 support plugins? I tried running one in the plugin creator and got the message:
..\3.7.0.3980051855-x86_64\qml\QtQuick.2\qtquick2plugin.dll is missing, (although I can see it in that folder in Windows Explorer).
Als antwoord op Got my setting working. Does… van yonah_ag
It should.
Als antwoord op It should. van Jojo-Schmitz
Do I need to manually register the .dll?
I moved the unzipped structure. Could that stop the plugin dll from loading?
Als antwoord op It should. van Jojo-Schmitz
The built-in "count-note-beats" plugin works but none of my own plugins are visible. I browsed to one in the plugin creator and tried to run within creator, which gave the error.
Als antwoord op The built-in "count-note… van yonah_ag
I'd need to look into this, but not today anymore ;-)
Als antwoord op The built-in "count-note… van yonah_ag
Mind to share one of the plugins that don't work for you?
Also note that as of today there's new artifacts
Als antwoord op Got my setting working. Does… van yonah_ag
And for me that file exists
Als antwoord op And for me that file exists van Jojo-Schmitz
all my plugins work (linux appimage)
Als antwoord op And for me that file exists van Jojo-Schmitz
The .dll exists for me too, in the path shown in the screenshot.
This is the message from Plugin Creator and plugin as attached.
There's no urgency - if you have some time this month then that would be great.
I'll install the new artifacts now that I know what to do.
TabTools.qml
Als antwoord op The .dll exists for me too… van yonah_ag
I could reproduct it.
No plugin required to reproduct.
[Plugins] -> [Plugin Creator]
In the Plugin Creator
[File] -> [New]
[Run]
Running…
Creating component failed
line 1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "QtQuick": Cannot load library C:\Users\ (account)\Downloads\MuseScore\MuseScore_x64_4104872289\MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\qml\QtQuick.2\qtquick2plugin.dll: 指定されたモジュールが見つかりません。
Tested Env.
OS: Windows 11 Home 22H2
MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.7.0.4104872289,
revision: 095932d
It did not occur in Ver. 3.6.2. it ran successfully.
Als antwoord op I could reproduct it. No… van knoike
I found that the error did not occur in the 32bit version.
It may have included the wrong architecture of the Qt DLL for 64bit version.
Ok:
MuseScore version (32-bit): 3.7.0.4104872289, revision: 095932d
NG:
MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.7.0.4104872289, revision: 095932d
Als antwoord op I found that the error did… van knoike
They do use different Qt versions, 5.9.9 vs. 5.15.2, the latter does support ECMA 6, but is not available on/for GitHub CI to build 32-bit Windows, and the former is what 3.6 used throughout.
Als antwoord op I found that the error did… van knoike
Can the 32-bit version run on 64-bit Windows 10?
Als antwoord op Can the 32-bit version run… van yonah_ag
Yes. MuseScore 1 and 2 only ever existed as 32-bit, yet run just fine on 64-bit Windows
Als antwoord op Yes van Jojo-Schmitz
I've extracted the x86 artifacts and plugins now work. :-)
Now it's so easy to apply correct guitar "Let Ring" that I probably won't bother with my Excel plugout.
Thank you for the note length fix in PRE and plugin API, this really improves my workflow.
Note: The plugin uploaded above has a bug which stops note length adjustment - Ooops!
I'll upload the fixed version to GitHub with a few enhancements just in case anyone wants to use it.
Als antwoord op I've extracted the x86… van yonah_ag
Bonus The .exe file can be renamed so that Windows "Pin to Start" shows 3.7.0
Als antwoord op I could reproduct it. No… van knoike
That
C:\Users\ (account)\Downloads\MuseScore\MuseScore_x64_4104872289\MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\qml\QtQuick.2\qtquick2plugin.dll
looks quite long and hasMuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64
in it twice?And that message doesn't match the one from the image you shared earlier
Try with reducing the length, by copying/moving that last
MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64 to
C:\Users\ (account)\Downloads` and run from thereAls antwoord op That C:\Users\ (account)… van Jojo-Schmitz
The message with a path was from another user, not from me: my path is exactly as shown in the image.
I'll try moving the folder elsewhere as it really doesn't need to be in my OneDrive. (Can't test it right now as I'm at work).
Als antwoord op That C:\Users\ (account)… van Jojo-Schmitz
It doesn't seem to be a problem of path length or location.
Running…
Creating component failed
line 1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "QtQuick": Cannot load library C:\MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\qml\QtQuick.2\qtquick2plugin.dll: 指定されたモジュールが見つかりません。
Jojo, please try to manipulate following procedure for artifact MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64:
[Plugins] -> [Plugin Creator]
In the Plugin Creator
[File] -> [New]
[Run]
Als antwoord op It doesn't seem to be a… van knoike
Just works here
Als antwoord op Just works here van Jojo-Schmitz
I tried the following.
It works fine.
I think the cause is in "qtquick2plugin.dll" included in artifact.
copy
qtquick2plugin.dll
from
C:\Program Files\MuseScore 3\qml\QtQuick.2
to
C:\MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\qml\QtQuick.2
[Plugins] -> [Plugin Creator]
In the Plugin Creator
[File] -> [New]
[Run]
Running…
Plugin Details:
Menu Path: Plugins.pluginName
Version: 1.0
Description: Description goes here
Requires Score
Debug: hello world
Als antwoord op I tried the following. It… van knoike
Hmm, that'd be from Qt 5.8.9 though (like all of the official Mu3), the rest of 3.7 (Windows 64bit) being Qt 5.15.2
And, as mentioned, it works for me without any problem and without that copy trick
Als antwoord op Hmm, that's be from Qt 5.8.9… van Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo, excuse me, please try following procedure.
If that situation doesn't give you any error, it is strange.
I'm guessing that the Jojo's environment is loading the DLL from another location.
(It's probably loading from the folder set in the environment variable PATH for SYSTEM/USER.)
1.
In MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\qml\QtQuick.2,
rename "qtquick2plugin.dll" to "qtquick2plugin.dll.5_15_2".
(or delete "qtquick2plugin.dll")
2.
Run MuseScore-3.7.0.4104872289-x86_64\bin\MuseScore3.exe
3.
Manipurate MuseScore 3.7.0
[Plugins] -> [Plugin Creator]
In the Plugin Creator
[File] -> [New]
[Run]
Get an error as follows:
Running…
Creating component failed
line 1: module "QtQuick" plugin "qtquick2plugin" not found
NOTE:
"qtquick2plugin.dll" is not exist
-> "not found" error.
"qtquick2plugin.dll" is exist, but cannot load
-> "cannot be loaded" error.
Als antwoord op Jojo, excuse me, please try… van knoike
Of course the "not found" error reproduces, but the "cannot be loaded" does not
Als antwoord op I tried the following. It… van knoike
Replacing that file gives me some progress but a different error:
Als antwoord op Copy that file gives me some… van yonah_ag
Tried replacing the whole 3.7.0 qml folder with that from 3.6.2 but this caused other errors.
Als antwoord op Tried replacing the 3.7.0… van yonah_ag
Another clue? My TabTools plugin does not show up in the list:
even though it exists in the same path as the plugins which do show up:
(and there seem to be a few extra plugins showing up!)
Als antwoord op Another clue? My TabTools… van yonah_ag
They all (try to) load that QtQuick, and because that fails MuseScore doesn't show them
Als antwoord op Tried replacing the 3.7.0… van yonah_ag
Of course, the Qt versions don't match
Als antwoord op The .dll exists for me too… van yonah_ag
No such issue for me, neither with my self-built 3.7 (using QtCreator/MinGW) nor with the GitHub artifact (built using MSVC), that plugin just works for me
Als antwoord op No such issue for me,… van Jojo-Schmitz
I have moved the installation to a better path but the plugin still fails.
Does the fact that it is complaining about Line 17 give any clues?
I tried moving this import to line 21 and the error then refers to line 21, so it seems to dislike QtQuick 2.2
Als antwoord op I have moved it but still… van yonah_ag
Yes, there's something going on with QtQuick2
Als antwoord op Got my setting working. Does… van yonah_ag
I might have nailed the issue, see https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/pull/149 and please test the artifact
Als antwoord op Frpom https://github.com… van Jojo-Schmitz
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/9000
Found it!
I could find executables.
Thank you for your detailed explanation.
Als antwoord op [inline:artifacts_2023-02-06… van knoike
I could run "Unstable pre-release ver. 3.7.0, Rev. ca30ecd".
Although a GitHub account is required,
the steps to get it and running it are easy,
so I can introduce this to other general users for testing purpose.
Thank you, Jojo!
Als antwoord op [inline:Unofficial_3_7_0_… van knoike
You should probably subscribe to that PR, so you get notified when new fixes/changes got added
Als antwoord op You should probably… van Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, I have already subscribed.
Als antwoord op You should probably… van Jojo-Schmitz
https://musescore.org/ja/node/344347
For testing purposes, I introduced how to download and run 3.7 artifact on the Japanese forum.
If I or someone found a bug that does not exist in 3.6.2 but exist in 3.7, where should I report it?
Als antwoord op https://musescore.org/ja… van knoike
Report it directly to me or as comments to that PR
Als antwoord op Report it directly to me or… van Jojo-Schmitz
I see. I will so.
Thank you for your great work and your kindness.
Als antwoord op I see. I will so. Thank you… van knoike
+1
Als antwoord op https://musescore.org/ja… van knoike
Or now add infos about that plugin issue to https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/issues/128
Als antwoord op Frpom https://github.com… van Jojo-Schmitz
See also https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/wiki/Downloading-and-running-tes…
Als antwoord op Frpom https://github.com… van Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry ... my mistake
Als antwoord op Hi, is this supposed to… van BanjoJake
Take the lastest available oneVor Windows you'll get it from https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/actions/runs/5169921439
Als antwoord op Take the lastest available… van Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, of course, I found it right after I posted my question ! Thanks very much !!
Als antwoord op There's no upgrade path,… van Jojo-Schmitz
Will there be an appimage? How will it be possible to run it on linux?
Als antwoord op Will there be an appimage?… van fernandoamartin
Yes, there is, one of the artifacts
Als antwoord op Yes, there is, one of the… van Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you. It seems to be working flawlessly. Keep your good job.
Als antwoord op Would a 3.7.Jojo be possible… van yonah_ag
MuseScorium.
Als antwoord op Yeah, you definitely shouldn… van Unknown Prodigy
Also. It works. The same can't be said of 4 yet - it's like a beta
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
I'm wondering, would you know the percentage of "3.7" bug fixes present in 4.0.1?
Als antwoord op I'm wondering, would you… van frfancha
Most of them I'd estimate more than 80%
Als antwoord op Most of them I'd estimate… van Jojo-Schmitz
Maybe I am wishing too much, but as Donna Summer said: Dreams come true for those who dream.
I am using MU4 because of Muse Sounds, specially Muse Strings. I like most of the other features of MU3 better than MU4. Would it be possible to borrow some code from MU4 into MU3 playing system to allow it to play Muse sounds too?
Als antwoord op Most of them I'd estimate… van Jojo-Schmitz
Maybe I am wishing too much, but as Donna Summer said: Dreams come true for those who dream.
I am using MU4 because of Muse Sounds, specially Muse Strings. I like most of the other features of MU3 better than MU4. Would it be possible to borrow some code from MU4 into MU3 playing system to allow it to play Muse sounds too?
Als antwoord op Maybe I am wishing too much,… van fernandoamartin
Well, i see this completely different.
Muse sounds is the reason why MS4 has all of these problems in the first place.
Take MS 3.7, add VST3, LV2, CLAP support.
Add better engraving from MS4. Do not add musesampler.
Als antwoord op Well, i see this completely… van graffesmusic
Backporting all those would be a huge task, as the entire codebase has changed pretty drastically.
I am backporting smaller things that are reasonably easy to do.
As mentioned above: I do accept PRs to my fork though ;-)
Als antwoord op Packporting all those would… van Jojo-Schmitz
This idea is OK. There's no need to start a new site now. It would get a long time to attract users. Keeping the information and talks at musescore.org and github is enough. And keeping Musescore classic side by side woth Musescore 4 is also enough. Users could jump from one version to another without as needed. In my case, I write many things in 3.6 and when I need a feature of 4.0 I "save as" my score with a new name and go on in 4.0. At the end it is just a matter of mixing the audio results in a DAW.
Als antwoord op Maybe I am wishing too much,… van fernandoamartin
No! Please don't do this.
I'm sure that MS4 will eventually have the missing MS3 features, and porting such a huge change is likely to impact MS3's stability. I think that MS3 (MuseScore Classic) should remain the pinnacle of MS's .SF2 based notation systems and move to a maintenance model. If users are really keen to see extra features then the plugin api would provide a route. Improved sound can be achieved by using exported MIDI with a DAW.
Als antwoord op Maybe I am wishing too much,… van fernandoamartin
no, Muse Sounds are a proprietary, binary-only feature that deliberately undermines the Open Source-ness of the rest of Mu͒seScore and indicates removal of any attempt of the current team to improve the base code’s audio capabilities (in fact, they’ve documented they removed some features, with mu͒3 as base).
Als antwoord op no, Muse Sounds are a… van mirabilos
There's a muse-hub.COM site that suggests that they will sell plugins in the future. I understand it's their right since they are creating the plugins in their own costs. However many features existing in 3.x were removed and nobody knows how many of them will return. Some like the very limited sfz support were announced to be removed. Others like bringing back choice of presets in soundfonts are promised to return. After all, if we need some feature from 3.x the only way to secure it is maintaining it.
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
All of the 3 releases worked well for Linux. They seem to have removed newer Linux 3 downloads entirely. 4 is less functional; it almost seems an early beta.
Als antwoord op All of the 3 releases worked… van KiwiDalang
add your voice #343092: old ver linux download link missing
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo-Schmitz,
Respect and Thanks. I've just D/L and run 3.7-64bit linux version (aka 3.6.3 "Musescore Classic") appimage from Github, and it works well, so far, including Jack audio and midi. (Which is why I tried your version. I can't see Jack being added to 4.0 linux in the near future, if ever.)
Alex.
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
Thank you for this. I much prefer "Classic Musescore" over the newer Musescore 4.
Als antwoord op It has been made pretty… van Jojo-Schmitz
After so many months improving MU 3.x why not change the software title? Instead of keep calling it 3.7 unstable indefinitely, it could simply be Musescore 3 Rolling Release or simply Musescore 3 Rolling. That would really reflect the rolling character of the work that is being done cuurently.
Als antwoord op After so many months… van fernandoamartin
Hmm, not a bad idea
Als antwoord op After so many months… van fernandoamartin
How about "MuseScore 3 on Wheels"?
Als antwoord op How about "MuseScore 3 on… van Jojo-Schmitz
Musescore3-SG1
Als antwoord op Musescore3-SG1 van alextone
Stargate SG-1? Nah...
Als antwoord op How about "MuseScore 3 on… van Jojo-Schmitz
I saw at github that it's called on wheels now but I didn't see the change at the window title bar nor at the splash screen. Is it at another place?
Als antwoord op I saw at github that it's… van fernandoamartin
It is on the title bar and in the about dialog
Als antwoord op I saw at github that it's… van fernandoamartin
So far only in a PR, https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/pull/194
Als antwoord op After so many months… van fernandoamartin
whats wrong with musescore classic?
Als antwoord op whats wrong with musescore… van XiaoMigros
Looses the fact that it is fully compatible with Mu3
Als antwoord op Looses the fact that it is… van Jojo-Schmitz
musescore 3 classic, perhaps?
Als antwoord op musescore 3 classic, perhaps? van XiaoMigros
doesn't reflect the "rolling" aspect
Als antwoord op After so many months… van fernandoamartin
How about "MuseScore 3 Evolution"?
Als antwoord op How about "MuseScore 3… van Jojo-Schmitz
How about "MuseScore 3 Jojo"
Als antwoord op How about "MuseScore 3 Jojo" van Johan-v
Too personal
Als antwoord op How about "MuseScore 3… van Jojo-Schmitz
MS3 Evolution hits the nail on the head and has a nice ring to it.
Als antwoord op MS3 Evolution hits the nail… van yonah_ag
Also translates better to other languages
Als antwoord op Also translates better to… van Jojo-Schmitz
Evolution is really good name, but than on wheels that looks somewhat funny as riding a bike. Evolution looks up-to-date and modern.
Als antwoord op Evolution is really good… van fernandoamartin
It'll be Evolution then
Als antwoord op It'll be Evolution then van Jojo-Schmitz
Sounds nice!
Als antwoord op After so many months… van fernandoamartin
Actually, 4.1 should be renamed, since is a discontinuous fork, with a somewhat different feature set, maybe to something like "MuseCompose" or "MusescorePlus", reserving "Musescore" for the 3.xx line. That way there would be no ceiling on version number. It's discouraging to have to explain about the versions when promoting Musescore to friends and colleagues (although the 4.xx compatibility in 3.7 makes it less of an issue).
Als antwoord op Actually, 4.1 should be… van jake11561
??? Why should the current version of MsueScor ebe renamed? It's not a discountiguous fork at all - MuseScore 4 is the successor to MusezScore 4 was to MuseScore 3 or 3 was to 2 or 2 was to 1. It's as plain and simple as that,. and confusing your friends and colleagues by pretending there is more to it than that is doing them a huge disservice. There is no reason anyone not already married to MuseScore 3 because of existing scores should be considering it at all. It's great there the 3.7 builds exist for the sake of those existing users unable or unwilling to update, but there is no reason any new user should even consider using MsueScore 3.
Als antwoord op ??? Why should the current… van Marc Sabatella
I can't in good conscience recommend 4.1 to people, knowing they are likely to encounter the playback bug(s) in 4.1, which I assume will get fixed eventually, but that for now, they should install 3.63, but, oh, there is a 3.7 which is the greatest version at the moment, but you have to get it from GitHub, etc. And they can't use my Plugins in 4.x. So it's hard for me to view 4.xx as a linear upgrade to, or superset of 3.63.
Als antwoord op I can't in good conscience… van jake11561
All releases of all software have bugs. Which specific bugs in MuseScore 4 do you think your friends and colleagues are especially more likely to run into that the average user will, and what makes you think they won't be more inconvenienced by the bugs in MuseScore 3 that would encounter instead?
Als antwoord op All releases of all software… van Marc Sabatella
Just going by my own experience. If said friends and colleagues ask me, all I can do is give them the benefit of my experience. They're welcome to consult other sources of info. I tout the orchestral sounds of 4.1, in case that's important to them. But honestly, for me 4.x has been a distraction and a drain on productivity so far. I'm looking forward to future versions, but for now 3.63 ( - 3.7) meets my needs and enables me to churn out the scores and arrangements my bands need.
Als antwoord op Just going by my own… van jake11561
If you experienced a bug that you think people should know about, then hopefully you also reported it. So please post the link so we can understand and assist better.
Merely telling your friends about bugs you found but not actually reporting them - now that would be something that should not be done in good conscience.
Anyhow, again, it's extraordinarily irresponsible to be advising people to use older versions of software with thousands of known and reported bugs and limitations that have already been fixed when there are new versions available. Especially when much better their scores could look, how much better they could sound, how many new features they could be taking advantage of, and how much nicer the UI could be, if they only started using MuseScore 4 right away. Plus you are dooming them to a second learning curve when they do update that could easily have been avoided. This is also something one shouldn't be doing to friends, in good conscience.
Again, it's fine for those people already using MuseScore 3 to delay updating for whatever reason because of concerns over specific things they rely on for specific existing scores or whatever that they know aren't working right yet. But advising new users to go out of their to install older versions instead, just because you aren't ready to update, is a terrible idea that does them a grave disservice.
Als antwoord op If you experienced a bug… van Marc Sabatella
The most serious (for me) of the playback bugs is reported: github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/16875. The lack of plug-in support in 4.1 is a known issue. Either is a show-stopper for me. And since it's likely that anyone to whom I recommend Musescore is likely to come to me for help, they need to know that I may not be able to help them with 4, and that they won't be able to use my plugins in 4. And yes, I advise them of all the great resources available to learn and learn about the latest version.
It doesn't help that scores could look & sound better and that the UI may be nicer, if basic functionality is missing.
Als antwoord op The playback bug is reported… van jake11561
Ah, so if you know that all of your friends rely on loop playback on repeats and your plugins that for whatever reason can't be ported to MU4 (plugins most certainly are supported in general), then indeed, this could be a reason for that small subset of people to resort to using MuseScore 3. But that doesn't validate your initial outlandish claim about 4.1 not being the true successor to MuseScore 3. Of course it is, even if a tiny percentage of users are for whatever reason not able to take advantage of it yet..
As for "basic functionality" being "missing", that's a matter of perspective. While A handful of things in MU3 are indeed not present in MU4, the reverse is an order of magnitude more true. Tons of "basic functionality" present in MU4 is missing in MU3. So by using MU3. you're missing basic functionality like scroll bars, Muse Sounds, braille, adding and removing instruments from parts, hiding staves within instruments, grouping measure onto a system, copying lines, chromatic ornaments, tempo change markings, harp diagrams, VST plugins, aux sends, and dozens of other things that would be as potentially important to a new user as "loop playback on passages that include repeats". Also you have to put up with vastly inferior score layout. It's an awful lot people have to give up just to have loop playback work with repeats.
Als antwoord op Ah, so if you know that all… van Marc Sabatella
Re: "plugins most certainly are supported in general", the most recent word from github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/8859 is that "only the plugins packaged with MuseScore 4.0 will work". And that's been my experience so far with 4.1.1
As I said, my use of MuseScore depends on those features, and I can offer advice only on things that I know directly. But I promise that I will tell anyone who asks, that v4 is THE official "Musescore", and to carefully check out fully all the features of any software that they may contemplate using. But if they ask me how I managed to change clef of a score in minutes during rehearsal, I won't lie about using v3.63.
How you decide to name your software is of course not up to me. I was just making a suggestion that I thought could provide clarity to new users, until v4 is fully developed (ie, can do everything that 3.63 does). Personally I have no problem navigating the current landscape. I didn't think that having two apps under the MU umbrella for some period of time would be such a sensitive topic.
It may be that v4 is so much better than 3 overall; you obviously have a broader view than I, so I will defer to you on that point. All I can tell you is that when I tried using v4, I immediately hit these snags, and was not inclined to pursue it further. My scores are not that complicated, so I'm not sure about the "vastly inferior score layout", all I know is that 3.63 does what I need it to.
Als antwoord op Re: "plugins most certainly… van jake11561
The comment you cite about plugin was about the state of the program prior to the beta, several months before the actual release of the program. At that time, those were the plugins known to work. But very quickly after that, the community stepped up and got tons more plugins running, so by today there are about as many for MU4 as there ever were for Mu3. It's always been the case that the only ones actually supported by the core team are the ones shipped with the program - and there are more such plugins supported for MU4 than for any previous release.
You don't say which bugs you ran into other than that one involving loop playback (a feature not used by the majority of people), or if you opened issues for them. But note there have been four releases since the original 4.0, with hundreds of bugs reported by users fixed since then. So even if you ran into issues months ago, you may well find them already solved.
The vastly inferior layout of MU3 affects simple scores as much as complex ones. Just really basic elementary things like, on any given system, all eighth notes should have the same amount of space after them, same for all quarters, etc. MU3 consistently gets this wrong over and over. That plus terrible stem lengths and beam angles and more. Unless your music is nothing but whole notes, I guarantee it looks infinitely better in MU4.
Anyhow, again, everyone of course has the right to decide for themselves if some particular bug or missing feature means they need to forego all the improvements of subsequent releases (and thus putting up with hundred more bugs that have already been fixed, and dozens of missing feature not present in MU3). Everyone can make that decision for themselves based don't he specific features they care about. For people that care more about the behavior of loop playback in the presence of repeats than any of the other hugely important and significantly improvements I listed, then they are of course welcome to continue using MU3 for as long as they want.
I only stepped in to combat the misinformation about the nature of MuseScore 4 as anything but the official successor to MsueScore 3. It absolutely positively is, and for 99% of users - and virtually all new users not already dependent on older versions - MU4 is the no-brainer superior choice. It does a disservice to the community to suggest otherwise, and it's important that such misinformation be corrected.
Als antwoord op Ah, so if you know that all… van Marc Sabatella
You must have quite a big hand, to hold all of MuseScore 3 features not (yet) implemented in MuseScore 4 ;-)
Als antwoord op You must have quite a big… van Jojo-Schmitz
A whole bunch of things in that list aren't actually missing features, just things you now do in a different way than before. But more importantly, that list was already out of date by the time 4.0 was released, and it's more out of date today. The list of MU3-isms "missing" from MU4 gets shorter by the day, while the list of MU4-isms "missing" from MU3 gets longer and longer and longer.
Als antwoord op A whole bunch of things in… van Marc Sabatella
Many of which are important to me are still missing
Als antwoord op Many of which are important… van Jojo-Schmitz
So like I said, if any given person feels the need to continue using MU3, that's fine. My issue was only with the statement about 4.1 not actually being the official successor to MuseScore 3 and advising all others not to use it without even first attempting to ascertain whether they would be more adversely affected by something missing from MU4 than they would by everything missing from MU3. That's just silly talk at best, irresponsible at worst.
Als antwoord op So like I said, if any given… van Marc Sabatella
That's indeed true
Als antwoord op So like I said, if any given… van Marc Sabatella
Fine, except I never said anything about the "official" successor - all I did was offer a suggestion about nomenclature that could have clarified a path for new users and maintain continuity until such time that a fully integrated product was ready. But I promise henceforth to advise anyone who asks: Try the latest version, only come back to me if they can't accomplish what they want (and in my community of trad musicians, that's likely to be ABC import).
Als antwoord op Fine, except I never said… van jake11561
You called it a "discontiguous fork". That is saying it's not the official successor. And giving it a new name would do the exact opposite of clarifying things for new users. Right now, it's 100% clear: MuseScore 4.1 is the only current supported version of MuseScore, period. Giving it a new name would give the entirely false and harmful impression that it is not in fact the version they should be using, when it absolutely positively unequivocally is for virtually all new users.
People with specific needs who understand the tradeoffs and the enormity of what they give up are welcome to seek out snd install older versions or unsupported third-party forms like the one being discussed on this thread. But new users should under no circumstances be misled into thinking they should even consider this for a moment. Every single new user needs to understand plainly: 4.1 is the official supported version of MuseScore, period. Any suggestion otherwise needs to be countered to avoid causing harm to the MuseScore community.
Also, again, the ABC import plugin does work, in the way I described. Better would be a standalone web app.
But another possibility to consider - use 3.6.2 if need be just to run the import. Then save the file and immediately load it into 4.1 for any real work.
Als antwoord op The playback bug is reported… van jake11561
Many plugins do work and many more can get ported with minimal effort, see Plugins for 4.x
Als antwoord op Many plugins do work and may… van Jojo-Schmitz
Just went back over the (many) past discussions on ABC import in the forum. ABC ImpEx crashes 4.1.1; I also tried JT's, but no success yet. I haven't given up, but I have to be conscientious about my time. And for me it's academic anyway until Loop Playback works.
Also, I think I need Plugin Creator to continue to develop/debug plugins.
Als antwoord op Just went back over the … van jake11561
Well, ABC is victim to a missing API in Mu4. As is batch convert.
Als antwoord op Well, ABC is victim to a… van Jojo-Schmitz
Of course ! The two plugins most important to me !
Als antwoord op Just went back over the … van jake11561
Plugins that appear to crash MU4 are normally just executing "Qt.quit()" when they should be executing "quit()". So it's not actually crashing; MuseScore is just doing what the plugin asks.
But no, you don't need Plugin Creator to build plugins. It's sometimes useful for sure, so you can still develop them in MU3 if you wish to take advantage of it, then deploy them in both MU3 and MU4.
While most plugins will work with just that change (also the way they are added to the plugin menu is different), the functionality of opening or creating new scores does not work directly. So some plugins would need to be re-thought in a way that doesn't rely on this. That's what the current ABC import plugin does - saves the MusicXML and then prompts you to open it yourself. Not ideal, but it works.
Since the ABC plugins are really just calling an external web service to convert to MusicXML and then loading the resulting MUsicXML, the better solution here I think is just to create an actual standalone web app (eg, as a Chrome extension, or use github.io) with its own UI that uses this same service. It would be less limited in functionality and would be useful to people other than MuseScore users. I'm surprised there isn't something like that out there already. There did used to be a pretty simplistic online form to do this, but I don't see it anymore, and it could be done much more nicely.
Als antwoord op If you experienced a bug… van Marc Sabatella
But it's good for users to know that bugs have more chance of being addressed if reported at github. I found a bug of muse hub being unable to play microtonal intervals correctly, commented at MU forums at the bug report area, received some answers but nothing was done. Recently I posted it in github, along with others who had done so, and now it's fixed t nightly.
Als antwoord op Actually, 4.1 should be… van jake11561
Revealing though it may be, this whole diatribe about MS4 vs MS3.6.2 is off topic for this thread so I have flagged all the contributions as spam. Please open a separate thread if you wish to continue your feud so that interested parties can also contribute without further clogging up this important thread.
Als antwoord op Revealing though it may be,… van yonah_ag
It’s not off topic to discuss the relationship between MU3 and MU4 in a thread entitled “end of life plan for 3.x”. And it’s certainly not spam. Please don’t abuse the forum or disrespect the community by marking posts this way that aren’t actually spam.
Als antwoord op It’s not off topic to… van Marc Sabatella
It's completely off topic. It's cluttering up the most important thread relating to Musescore 3 Evolution and since it contributes nothing to the 3.7 fork then, in my opinion, it definitely is spam and is disrespecting this particular thread.
Please respect the MS3.7 community members by leaving this thread for its proper purpose. It would've been more than sufficient for a short, initial reposte: there was no need for the unhelpful mini essays which followed.
Please refrain from replying to this comment with yet another mini, (or even maxi), essay.
Als antwoord op It's completely off topic… van yonah_ag
Again, the title of this thread is "End of life plan for 3.x", not "information about third-party fork of MuseScore 3". The end of life plan for 3.x is exactly this: MuseScore 4 replaces it. So pointing that out is not even the slightest bit off-topic.
If you want to discourage others from spreading misinformation about MuseScore 4 in that this thread, be my guest.
But if people spread misinformation in this or any other thread, it will be countered. And you're right - my initial response should have been enough. It's not my fault people continued to argue against the obvious facts.
So again, do NOT report posts as spam that are merely correcting misinformation. The misinformation itself wasn't even spam; it was merely misguided.
One more, to be perfectly clear: DO NOT report posts as spam when they are not.
And don't get on my case for "cluttering" this thread. You are the one who started this pointless digression by inappropriately flagging posts as spam. I have no intention of responding further here unless you or someone else spreads further information or takes further inappropriate action. The ball is in your court; I suggest you act by not acting.
Als antwoord op Again, the title of this… van Marc Sabatella
Actually, as yonah said, (and I paraphrase), the ball is in the court of those of us who use 3.6/3.7.
Perhaps you should listen to what he has to say, and refrain from contributing more meaningless and condescending spam.
The rest of us have already moved on.
Als antwoord op Again, the title of this… van Marc Sabatella
More off topic spam. You are the one who felt the need to swamp this thread with an MS4 vs MS3 debate. You should've made a short initial reply, started a new thread and made a link to it. The thread would then have its own title on the lines of "MS4 is the official, supported version". Pleased to hear that you won't be posting another spam mini essay.
Als antwoord op More off topic spam. You are… van yonah_ag
Again, I am not the one who is "swamping" anything. I am simply responded to misinformation and to malicious attacks. if I stop seeing misinformation and malicious attacks, I will cease responding, simple as that. Again, the ball is back in your court. Invite a response, though, and I will continue to oblige by providing one.
Als antwoord op Again, I am not the one who… van Marc Sabatella
More off topic spam.
Als antwoord op It's completely off topic… van yonah_ag
Hear hear.
Als antwoord op It’s not off topic to… van Marc Sabatella
Honestly, I'm surprised with all this ado about MS3 vs MS4, as the discussion, even if it contained malicious misinformation (which i don't believe), is quite unlikely to cause any harm to MS4. This thread is actually a tiny and insignificant niche against (o parallel to) a formidable advertisement action carried out by a powerful company (Muse). A simple google search for "MuseScore 4" yields 379000 hits while for "MuseScore 3.7" only 803. But "End of Life plan for 3.x" yields a mere 4 hits! So the real impact of this discussion on MS 4 is vanishingly small!
Even if a particular user started using MS 3.7 instead of MS 4, It is inevitable that sooner or later they will try 4.x (it's in the ADN of all software users, isn't it?). If 4.x happens to provide them with a better user experience, they will migrate. Otherwise they will go on using 3.7. If they are good with that, what's the problem?
It's no use engaging in harsh and passionate discussions like some that I have read here for such an abstract problem.
Als antwoord op Honestly, I'm surprised with… van fmiyara
Agreed. I will inevitably, and gladly, move from 3.7 to 4 when it has a PRE with plugin API access. I look forward to that day but am grateful for the development and usefulness of 3.7 in the meantime.
Als antwoord op Honestly, I'm surprised with… van fmiyara
The damage of the misinformation and malicious attacks is not to MU4 itself, but to the community. It creates confusion in the eyes of new users who are erroneously led to believe there is some actual sound reason for them not to choose MuseScore - or worse, to choose an older unsupported version just because some small percentage of existing users need to use that older version for whatever reason. Which leads to people missing out on the better experience that they could be having - better layout, better playback, better usability - and creating an unnecessary extra learning curve when they do finally update. It also creates an environment where scores cannot be shared as freely due to compatibility concerns. because the FUD is causing both new users not to adopt MU4 and existing users who have no reason whatsoever not to update to continue using MU3 unnecessarily. And so on.
So once again, nothing wrong if some particular MU3 user who has carefully compared decides that some specific feature of MU3 is more important for their specific use case than all the new features and improvements in MU4 combined, But it's a problem when statements are made that are designed to do nothing but discourage innocent new users from getting the latest and greatest version of MuseScore.
And it's a huge problem when one commits personal abuse by reporting on-topic informational posts from a long-time contributor to this forum and to the software itself as spam. That was inexcusable, and what I expect to see here is people soundly condemning the perpetrator. The fact I don't is quite disappointing - even more damaging to the community than the misinformation.
Als antwoord op The damgae of the… van Marc Sabatella
The only here damaging the community is you.
Als antwoord op The damgae of the… van Marc Sabatella
Re: "And it's a huge problem when one commits personal abuse by reporting on-topic informational posts". Your posts are not on-topic so my flagging them as spam is not abuse and it's certainly not personal: please stop being so dramatic. I recognise and respect the fact that you have been a long-time and valued contributor to this forum.
"Innocent new users" are most unlikely to even find this forum, let alone this thread, they will just get on with using the software. So please leave this thread alone unless you have a contribution to make regarding MS3.7 - also known as Musescore 3 Evolution.
Als antwoord op Re: "And it's a huge problem… van yonah_ag
All users can absolutely see new posts here. If this were a private discussion, that would be different.
Spam is not defined as "anything you don't want to hear", and reporting posts as spam is an incredibly harmful act. You are engaging in abusive behavior, and every post of yours that doesn't apologize for that abuse is simply compounding it. I am sorry to see this community come to this. But anyhow, I have unsubscribed to this thread. If you'd like to apologize, you'll have to do so offline.
Als antwoord op All users can absolutely see… van Marc Sabatella
All users may be able to see these posts but I reckon that only a small percentage of Musescore users actually will. Most people viewing this thread will be interested in MS3.7 and for those of us, the digression into MS4 is indeed spam.
Als antwoord op All users may be able to see… van yonah_ag
It is not. It maybe clutter (as is your diatribe), but isn't spam
Als antwoord op It is not. It maybe clutter … van Jojo-Schmitz
Noted. I will be succinct with off-topic posts in future.
Als antwoord op Re: "And it's a huge problem… van yonah_ag
It's a catchy name, better than anything I came up with.
Will the Musescore 3.7 Classic that users are discussing ever be a stable release?
Als antwoord op Will the Musescore 3.7… van Unknown Prodigy
Most probably not
Als antwoord op Most probably not van Jojo-Schmitz
Why not if it's better than 3.6 that was the most stable one?
I'm currently using it and I think it is ready to be released. By now I have not hit any bug.
Als antwoord op Why not if it's better than… van fernandoamartin
Because the 'Powers To Be" rejected it.
Als antwoord op Will the Musescore 3.7… van Unknown Prodigy
What does "stable release" mean in MuseScore's context? (It can't mean that it doesn't crash because I've crashed 3.6.2 on occasion).
Als antwoord op What does "stable release"… van yonah_ag
Hell yeah no, they’re not fixing all the crash bugs :(
It means that they put a fixed version number on it, like 3.6.2, as opposed to a random development snapshot that’s less tested, and that it has release notes and all, and release builds available for users.
What is the best way to report crashes in 3.7.0?
(I have confirmed that the crash does not happen in 3.6.2)
Als antwoord op What is the best way to… van yonah_ag
In the PR, or here or in a new post here
Als antwoord op What is the best way to… van yonah_ag
Thanks for https://musescore.org/en/node/344717, that bug has been fixed now
Crash report, sort of—
On Windows 10, the 64-bit flavor of build ca30ecd crashed every time I tried to open the demo files 'Brassed_Up' and 'Dynamic_Strings,' without any message or dump file etc--just crashed and disappeared. (It did successfully open 'Dawn.') Before trying to open other demo files, I switched to the x86 flavor, same build, which had no trouble opening all three files. I then switched back to the 64-bit and now the same demos opened just fine.
Just guessing here, but I wonder if the problem had to do with the dialog that asks whether you want to use Leland and Edwin. When the 32-bit presented me with that dialog I checked the box for applying those fonts automatically to older files. I noticed that when the 64-bit opened 'Brassed_Up' and 'Dynamic_Strings' they were showing the asterisk indicating unsaved changes. I assume both flavors are using the same settings—and that because I had set the default in the 32-bit, the 64-bit bypassed the dialog, and applied the font updates without having to ask.
(Which leads to a question: Where are settings like that stored? Is it possible to have different settings for different development builds/versions, and if so, how?)
Als antwoord op Crash report, sort of— The… van Stephen Cummings
I can't reproduce, loading these scores in my self-built 64-bit 3.7.0, which should be e9183eb, from today.
That setting is in Edit > Preferences > Import
I can't recommend that automatic conversion though: it also looses the Jazz style font (like in Brassed_Up)!
It really should only replace Emmentaler with Leland (and Free Serif with Edwin), but replaces all fonts.
Als antwoord op I can't reproduce, loading… van Jojo-Schmitz
I could reproduce it.
MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.7.0.4152844215, revision: f275865
Tested Env.
Windows11 Home 22H2.
Als antwoord op [inline:2023-02-12_05-54.gif… van knoike
I still can't, unfortunately
Als antwoord op [inline:2023-02-12_05-54.gif… van knoike
It might be related to the plugin issue mentioned further up, as that dialog is qml code and sure enough uses Qt Quick too.
Would explain why the 32-bit version is not affected and why the 64-but version is not affected anymore once that dialog got disabled via Preferences. And why I can't reproduce this too
Als antwoord op [inline:2023-02-12_05-54.gif… van knoike
Appreciate the validation with demo, @knoike.
There's another bug: 3.7.0 apparently can't successfully upload scores to musescore.com
Als antwoord op There's another bug: 3.7.0… van Jojo-Schmitz
According to reports on the .com site, neither can official releases…
Als antwoord op According to reports on the … van mirabilos
3.6.2 can for sure
Als antwoord op According to reports on the … van mirabilos
3.6.3 (!) can too, so I'll fake it ;-)
Apparently they explictly disallow 3.7...
Als antwoord op 3.6.3 (!) can too, so I'll… van Jojo-Schmitz
For some strange reason though it looses the "Hide empty staves" setting on the way...
And in 3.6.2 too.
Als antwoord op For some strange reason… van Jojo-Schmitz
Culprit found... 89e9471f
I'll revert it, along with 5b30d142, similar issue, with pedal line style, works the way up, but not down
Als antwoord op 3.6.3 (!) can too, so I'll… van Jojo-Schmitz
So maybe 3.6.4 thru 3.6.9 will all be good too.
However, 3.6.3 has a nice symmetry and feel to its name.
Als antwoord op 3.6.3 (!) can too, so I'll… van Jojo-Schmitz
Is this issue still open or solved?
I could upload by "Save Online" via 3.7.0.
3.7.0 was not reject by .com site.
Als antwoord op Is this issue still open or… van knoike
Yes, I worked around it
Als antwoord op Yes, I worked around it van Jojo-Schmitz
Hi Jojo
MS3.7 gives this warning (Linux)
[....] Sample(Trombone F5) start(0) startloop(12406) endloop(12659) end(12666) smaller than SoundFont 2.04 spec chapter 7.10 recommendation
[...]
This with the appimage as well as my own build.
Warning from sfont3.cpp
I ignore if it there are any consequences because of this.
Als antwoord op Hi Jojo MS3.7 gives this… van graffesmusic
I think it is cause of SoundFont you use.
In the specification of SoundFont 2.04, there is the following sentence.
> Thus dwStart must be less than dwStartloop-7, dwStartloop must be less than dwEndloop-31, and dwEndloop must be less than dwEnd-7.
In SoundFont you using:
endloop(12659)
end(12666)
->
12666-7 = 12659. the 'endloop' value is 'equal' not 'less than'.
The 'end' value is only slightly smaller, so MuseScore may have showed a warning instead of an error.
Als antwoord op I think it is cause of… van knoike
Unfortunately, almost all existing soundfonts violate that part of the spec; I talked to s.chriscollins about it, and he said it’s not been a problem in practice, and he’ll probably take care of these for new instruments but can’t bother for old ones.
Yes, it’s only a warning; FluidSynth upstream plays these fine, and the bastardised derivative thereof in use in mu͒2 and mu͒3 “probably” plays them fine.
It’s not a regression (change relative to a previous version) anyway.
Als antwoord op Unfortunately, almost all… van mirabilos
This concerns both MuseScore_General.sf3 and the HQ Musescore font.
The warning does not seem to exist in MS3.6 , with same soundfonts.
Als antwoord op This concerns both MuseScore… van graffesmusic
How to reproduce it ?
I run 3.7.0 on the command line and play some notes by trombone tone, but I could not reproduce it.
No message was displayed.
Als antwoord op This concerns both MuseScore… van graffesmusic
ad 1: yes, they are the same soundfont basically anyway (one’s a subset of the other), but others are also affected
ad 2: that’s because the logging is either not present there or hidden as a nōn-development build; the problem has always existed, but the code that outputs the warning is recent (I wrote it as part of fixing some soundfont-related crashes)
Als antwoord op There's another bug: 3.7.0… van Jojo-Schmitz
Just bumped into this upload failure myself and then noticed these comments so I simply did the upload again via 3.6.2.
3.7.0 is a game changer for me because of the limit on PRE and plugin API maximum length being increased from 2000 to 60000. (64000 would be actually be even better because a 1/64th note could be made to ring for 4 beats of 4/4 time. It won't affect me in practise because I don't have scores with notes shorter than 1/32nd but it would just feel 'tidy'. I'm nit-picking – I really appreciate 3.7.0).
Maybe there needs to be a forum page for MuseScore Classic.
(or even MüScore Classic if the MuseScore name is not allowed).
Als antwoord op Just bumped into this myself… van yonah_ag
Maybe Jojo can get an allowance from the developers. Currently 3.7 is not preventing anyone from using their paid services. If in future they sell plugins in muse hub this may take some time because muse sounds are very unstable by now.
Als antwoord op Just bumped into this myself… van yonah_ag
> Maybe there needs to be a forum page for MuseScore Classic.
I think so, too.
For the time being, It may be a good way to create a new topic every problems/issue with "MuseScore 3.7.0:" at the beginning of the title as you did in the "Development and Technology Preview" Forum.
Als antwoord op > Maybe there needs to be a… van knoike
I agree
Als antwoord op Just bumped into this myself… van yonah_ag
I vote for "MusicScore"
Als antwoord op I vote for "MusicScore" van graffesmusic
Hmm, this might cause confusion and invite comments and complaints friom users of MuseScore both org and .com. Since it's a fork, how about TuningFork?
Als antwoord op Hmm, this might cause… van underquark
Let's cross that bridge if and when we get there
Als antwoord op Let's cross that bridge if… van Jojo-Schmitz
But it is fun to imagine possible names! Something from the repeats or endings palette may be appropriate: VoltaScore, CodaScore, FineScore, ...
Anyway, it looks like interest in this version is growing and the licensing model means that we're not going to lose the source code no matter what.