Hiding measures and deleting notes

• Aug 17, 2013 - 03:37

Hello
let me first tell ive found this software just recently and im still getting used to it.. but im really loving it

there are a couple of things that are frustrating me so i decided to post here:

1 - when i hide some measure, it aways hide the next barline. There are any way to leave the barline still visible?
2 - on the same subject, there are any way to select many measures and hide them all? for now i know only how to hide 1 by 1.

3 - other issue im facing is when i delete notes it will keep the rest. There are any way to delete the rest and "move back" the remaining notes so i dont have to type all the measure again? also a way to insert a note before already writen notes? or any way to change a note duration and keep the other notes on the measure without deleting it?
(similar to the way Guitar Pro works) see below

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 00:36

I'm not understanding what you mean about hiding measures - what are you trying to accomplish? My guess is that whatever it is you are trying to do, there is a better / more direct way to do it.

As for the last question., if you want to change the beat position at which a note or group of notes is played, simply cut and paste. So in your first example, if you originally typed F on beat 2& but want to move it earlier - to beat 2 - simply select it and however many other notes you want moved (to the end of the measure? several measures? it's up to you), then Ctrl-X, then click whatever is on beat 2 (currently the E) and Ctrl-V. No need to "delete" anything at all. Similarly, in the second example, you want to move the F and subsequent notes to a later time position than you originally entered them. So select them, cut, then click the new position, paste. Then you can also lengthen the E if you like.

It helps to think in *musical* terms when using MuseScore, as opposed to "graphical" terms in Guitar Pro. That is, if you delete a note in Guitar Pro, others notes are left in their original places *graphically*, but of course this moves them earlier in time, which may or may not be what you want (in this case, it only just happened to be). In MuseScore, deleting a note leaves all other notes at exactly the same time position. If you want to move some notes, move the notes - don't delete something else and hope that this will result in them moving earlier.

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 05:54

for the first question im doing this: (note im not using musescore in english so the terms might not be right)

- on a multiple instrument score just click one measure then right click an go to measure properties(?) then uncheck "visible"
.. now its hidden, but the measure bar is also hidden
obs--- i think this doesnt work on a single instrument sheet

as for the another question, i know about that.. and its how i used to work on Sibelius.. and its the very reason i hate Sibelius.. its so time consuming and destructive..
i mentioned Guitar Pro just because i think, while the software has its limitations, its so fast to work and non destructive.. and i often find myself writing in guitar pro then importing in Sibelius because i know it is that much faster..
anyway, thank you, i only hoped it could be easier/faster

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 07:05

it seems to me that the symbol can be inserted easily, try:
highlights the first note, double-click the symbol in the palette

MuseScore seems to me an inexhaustible source of surprises ;-)

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 09:47

What you haven't made clear is why you want to hide measures in the first place.

If the purpose is to save space in a multi instrument score you may be better checking the "Hide Empty Staves" option in the Edit Style dialogue.

NB Doing this before finishing your note entry will make the piece impossible to work on as you will hide the bars you are trying to fill with notes.

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 14:12

As someone with years of experience in both styles, I can assure you the Sibelius / MuseScore method is just as efficient. It's just different and requires you to think differently - as I said, musically instead of graphically. Once you get used it, it's actually hard to go back to the graphic style.

As for hiding measures, again, it would help if you exained why you were trying to do this in the first place. Most likely, there is a much simpmer way of doing whatever it is you are trying to do.

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 16:47

Thank You ChurchOrganist and Marc Sabatella

i guess ill have to get used to this kind of writing.. i wish only there could be a way to do that.. like Shift+del/shift+ins for removing/inserting something typed by mistake and fast corrections..

as for hiding measures i want the result as shown below:
hide.jpg
there is a better way of doing this?

** edit: on that 3rd measure when i inserted the bar the way Shoichi suggested apeared lots of bar signs in the middle of the measure, not just at the beggining

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 17:05

But *why* do you want that result? That's not standard musical notation. What is the goal you are trying to achieve here?

As for removing things typed by mistake, cut & paste is fast and more importantly, accurate. MuseScore doesn't have to guess how many notes you want to move - you move exactly the notes you want.

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 18:00

why... hard to explain.. but it fasten my wrighting process.. and its possible, but has those 2 limitations: i have to hide every measure individually and it hide the previous bar line..
And its very useful for notating lessons/methods..

Musescore doest have to guess anything..
delete.jpg
1 to 2.. how hard is that??
by just deleting - 0,2 seconds
by selecting/copying/pasting - 2 seconds

apply it to a whole score of edditing.. you will end up wasting a lot of time just by copying and pasting..
i know it sound like bull.. but there are cases where it is almost needed(like making lessons/methods, rithmic variations, etc)
random example.. but it took seconds to write in guitar pro
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keep in mind i only wrote the 1st measure.. the others i just inserted some random rests between some notes..
the inverse process (removing the rests) are just as easy

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• Aug 18, 2013 - 18:18

Again, if you explain what you are actually trying to accomplish to do with your measure hiding - a real world example and an explanation of what it is trying to show and what makes you think someone reading the score would understand it - we can probably suggest better ways of doing it. For instance, use of frames, graphics, etc.

As for the inserting/deleting thing - yes *of course* a program has to guess. In your first example, you show only one measure. So you are implying you wanted all of the rest of the notes in that measure to magically move left, but no notes in the next measure (that is, it didn't fill the final half beat of this measure with content from the next measure - it left you with a rest, which you probably didn't want). At least, that's what GuitarPro is apparently guessing. No doubt, some non-zero percentage of the time, that might happen to be exactly what you wanted, but at least as often, it won't be. Maybe you wanted only two notes moved from this measure and the rest left alone. Maybe you wanted everything to the end of the second moved. Maybe you wanted exactly three and a quarter measures moved. There is just no way a program can no guess. In this particular isolated and contrived example, apparently it happened to be the case that you actually wanted to move every single note in the current measure and no notes in the following measure, and so the behavior you seem to be advocating just happened to get the job done in fewer clicks. But in *every single other case* - if you wanted fewer notes moved or more notes moved - you end up spending more time fixing up the damage than had you simply done a direct copy & paste in the first place.

Your second example, this is obviously even more pretty contrived. I could just as easily come up with an example of something simpler to do in MuseScore. For instance, enter two quarter notes, then change your mind and decide you want a dotted quarter and an eighth. One click in MuseScore, multiple clicks in GuitarPro. Same with turning two half notes into quarter, quarter rest, quarter, quarter rest. And I might claim that these are *much* more common edits than what you are showing here.

In any case, in the long run it's six of one, half dozen of the other. Some operations might be one or two clicks more in one program, other operations are one or two more clicks in the other, but it all averages out.

Again, I have considerable experience doing things both ways, and yes, it was an adjustment at first. But I am absolutely convinced it ends up being a wash in the long run, or even a slight advantage to the Sibelius / MuseScore method (there is a reason, after all, why Sibelius has the reputation as being #1 in the ease-of-use department - it's greatest claim to fame over Finale). In some cases, it is a click or two more to do something in Sibelius / MuseScore, in other cases, it's a click or two more to do something in Finale / GuitarPro. Whichever way you are most accustomed to, the other way will *seem* more difficult. But once you make the adjustment, you see it simply is not so in practice.

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