Trailing Space?
In the inspector, when selecting a note, 2.0.3 has a trailing space variable. I usually combine this with leading space to create room for rehearsal marks, and tempos/section titles. Why is the trailing space option gone? Measures look lopsided when I only use leading space.
Thanks!
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Hmm, it should only very rarely be necessary to do this. Chances are whatever it is you are doing could be done differently. Can you attach a specific score so we can see what you are doing?
In reply to Hmm, it should only very by Marc Sabatella
I'd like trailing space to adjust for rehearsal mark at G, V, CC, FF, II, Rehearsal mark V is a hot mess.
I've attached the score, but I'm not sure if the spacing will be the same for you as I use the Old Standard font, which isn't default included in Office most of the time.
So have some screenshots:
In reply to I'd like trailing space to by Laurelin
Hmm, I'm still not sure modifying the note spacing is the right way to handle this - more normally I'd see the rehearsal mark itself moved as necessary. Is there some particular engraving standard you are trying to adhere to here?
EDIT: but in any case, I realize this doesn't address the question of why trailing space adjustment was removed. I know there are major changes in layout in the 3.0 builds and the whole idea of "space" as a fixed thing is kind of gone - now there are checksto see what can overlap. So perhaps the mechanism that allowed this to work previously is not longer relevant. But it does seem like something would need to take its place to add space at the end of a measure when the need arises.
In reply to Hmm, I'm still not sure by Marc Sabatella
I'm not adhering to an engraving standard, and the more I think about it, moving the rehearsal mark seems like a good idea - the auto placement needs to account for notes, brackets, slurs, and articulations as well as text. I think it was just that I couldn't/hadn't figured out how to move the rehearsal mark in 3.0.
But I can think of other situations where you would want space, and couldn't get it any other way - measure length doesn't account for system text, for example. And it shouldn't, don't change that. But I don't see a reason to take the 'trailing space' option away from users, especially when leading space is still there.
In reply to I'm not adhering to an by Laurelin
I'd also remove the frame around the rehearsal marks. Im my experience they are hardly ever framed like this in printed music. Saves space and makes it easier to place the rehearsal marks properly. There is nothing else in a score that resembles single (or double) capital letters.
Practically of course measure numbers are more flexible for rehearsal purposes (avoids having to count 23 measures from a rehearsal mark) so I do not think we have a great need for rehearsal marks any more. When I transcribe music with rehearsal marks I include them of course, but the measure numbers are also in the score--provided by Musescore and always 100% accurate according to the standard convention.
In reply to I'd also remove the frame by azumbrunn
Rehearsal Marks aren't always as obvious as letters - quite often they're numbers, and sometimes they're actually glorified measure numbers.
There's a frame option in Text Style so you could turn it off, or you could choose between a circle or box. I don't see why we would need to change the default - users can set their own defaults quite easily if they dislike it, and this is a common setup for rehearsal marks.
In reply to Rehearsal Marks aren't always by Laurelin
I'd like to change the default style to give the frames sharp corners, actually. But when I have (printed) music with frameless rehearsal marks, I draw frames around them to help them stand out.
In reply to I'm not adhering to an by Laurelin
Right, I agree ultimately we need to get somthing back to replace trailing space, at least for the end of a measure. Maybe it could be leading space for the barline itself. But I am not sure I see any particular reason to include trailing space elsewhere - how would it differ from setting leading space on the next segment?
As for measure length not accounting for system text, not sure what you mean by that either. Normally system text would be fine to exdtend for several measures. if there is some sort of unusual special case where you need to constrain it to be contained within a single measure, the normal way to do that would be to simply increase stretch, which does the job evenly in one stroke rather than requiring a whole lot of space adjustments that most likely will just end up resulting in irregular spacing. Unless I'm missing something - as usual, an example would help us understand.
In reply to Right, I agree ultimately we by Marc Sabatella
I have a few places where rehearsal marks are all of four measures apart, and at the beginning of a labelled section. And then I like multimeasure rests, which are not... you can't edit the width/length of a multimeasure rest symbol. So you get things like "Ain't Necessarily So" is the section title, and it doesn't fit between two rehearsal marks. I've been fixing it with line breaks or space.
I can't think of a way for the computer to account for something like that, but being able to lengthen the width of a multimeasure rest would be useful.
(That's just an example, Ain't Necessarily So wouldn't need that many rehearsal marks.) And no, formatting it smaller isn't a great idea, there's a tempo indication underneath it, there's cues, players quite often are even blinder than I am, etc.
Here, have a pic:
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I don't know how to fix that, other than vertical space and strategic line breaks. Even the Tempo is colliding.
In reply to I have a few places where by Laurelin
I'm hoping when Smart Layout for text elements comes in it will be able to do things like widen a measure if needed.
In reply to I have a few places where by Laurelin
All of these I'd fix by moving the text, combined with perhaps making the multimeasure rest wider (using stretch - not sure why you said it couldn't be done?). Leading / trailing space adjustments definitely would not enter into play at all.
In reply to All of these I'd fix by by Marc Sabatella
Stretch? The inspector doesn't have any settings called stretch, in 2.0.3 or the nightly.
And I googled. This isn't a thing I wouldn't have found with knowing what it was called and then googling. If we could edit the width of a multimeasure rest in the inspector, that'd be more user friendly.
I get layout and style confused all the time, but this is a thing I would've thought was in either, because I don't want every multimeasure rest to be wider, I want the one I've selected to be wider, and every other thing I've ever done with layout/style was score-wide settings, not individual settings. I didn't think it ever did individual things - that's what the inspector is for, right?
Why is that control located there?
In reply to Stretch? The inspector by Laurelin
In 2.0.3, stretch is found in two places: under the Layout menu, where perhaps you wouldn't expect to find it—but also in Measure Properties, where I think it rather does make sense.
However, if #118086: Eliminate most "Properties" dialogs in favor of Inspector for MuseScore 3 goes through, then stretch will probably be available through the Inspector in some way.
In reply to Stretch? The inspector by Laurelin
FWIW, stretch is one of the fundamental adjustments available in MuseScore. It's the basic "make this measure bigger or smaller" control, while keeping correct note spacing within the measure. Adjusting stretch is something one would normally do very often for lots of reasons. Adjusting segment leading/trailing space hardly at all.
One reason stretch is not in the Inspector is that it applies to the *measure*, and the Inspector is more for individual elements. Since it applies to the measure, you can adjust it in Measure Properties, which should be intuitive enough, but since you very often wanbt to apply it to several measures at once (eg, to squeeze more measures onto a system, a very common use for it), it makes sense to be in a menu that can be applied to selections.
In any case, it's a common enough oepration, and one that often gets appliued to multiple measures at once, that regardless of where the cmmand "lives", it is one you definitely want to just learn the shortcut for.