music/tonality/playback ?

• Aug 19, 2018 - 22:37

1) THX for ans to transpose Qs earlier.
2) Am not sure if this is a "music" Q or a "Musescore function" Q

For the attached mscz score, what am I supposed to be hearing during playback for the A.Guitar instrument beginning in measure #24? It sounds like the "std monkey" banging on a piano.

I have no idea what the "/" notation or "#/" is playing nor where it gets its musical info from.

I hope I am not quite that "dumb", though musically I am a novice.

Dick Penny

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Did you enter this music yourself? If so, what was your goal? Or maybe this was the result of MusicXML or other import? If so my guess is what was intended was "slash notation", meaning, just some slashes to tell teh guitar player to improvise his accompaniment based on the given chord symbols. The way it came in from MusicXML turned it into normal slashed-shaped notes instead of special silent non-transposable slashes as it should have been. To correct this, delete what's there now, then select the measures and use Edit / Tools / Fill with Slashes. Now you'll have slashes that don't playback and don't transpose. You won't hear the accompaniment, but that's because the file you were importing didn't actually contain any notated accompaniment - just the slashes to tell the guitarist to improvise.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Yes, it came from an XML file, don't know what program created it.
I understand your correction.

Your comment raised another Q however. What is meant by "normal slashed-shaped notes"? I have never heard the term before. Or where should I look to read-up about it?


In reply to by dpenny

I probably could have worded that better: "normal notes that just happen to have slash noteheads". There is no specific reason why anyone might choose to use slash noteheads on normal notes, but some people might do this instead of "x" noteheads to indicate imprecise pitches for a semi-spoken passage, or maybe some other reason that strikes their fancy. Anyhow, the point being, these are just normal notes that were set to use slash noteheads (as you can do in the Inspector or using the Noteheads palette), rather than true slash notation.

In reply to by dpenny

You can add chord symbols or fret diagrams to slashes same as for regular notes, but they don't playback. There are other programs out there (Impro-Visor being one open source option) that specialize in that sort of thing.

You can mix slashes and regular notes in pretty much any way you might want, not sure what you're tried. They'd need to be in different voices if you want them at the same time in the same staff. If you continue to have trouble, feel free to attach your score and explain in more detail.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Not to beat this subject of "slashes" to death (maybe I should :)),
but I am trying to learn what I am hearing during playback for:
1) the original XML saved as a MSCZ which contains #s and /s as measure fill-in
2) (1) with ONLY the #s deleted (one at a time)
3) measure contents deleted and filled with Musescore /s

1 sound like garbage, where do the "notes" come from

2 sounds better, there are implicit chords coming from somewhere, the dissonance is gone

3 plays silence as Marc has mentioned.

I ask cuz I might want to be able to create #2 sometime but I have no idea how (without entering notes). Or is it a "hang-over" from Sibelous/Finalle or whatever conversion and I cannot replicate it?

In reply to by dpenny

As I said, what you had originally just normal notes that happened to have slash noteheads. So those are C#'s, just as they appear to be. Probably what happened is that they started life as B's (middle line notes) but then you transposed it up a step, so those B's became C#'s. You;d need to post the original XML file and describe what you did step by step for us to know for sure.

ANyhow, if you are perceiving the notes to sound like garbage, that must be because you don't like the sound of a C# being played there. When you remove the #'s, now of course those are just plain C's, and I guess you like the sound of C's in those places better (not surprising because the piece is in C).

FWIW, though, you chose the slowest possible method of removing those #'s :-).

Somewhat faster would have been to delete them all at once. Select the range of measures, right click one of the #'s, Select / All Similar Elements in Range Selection. Then press Delete.

Better would have been to take advantage of the fact that you now know these are just normal notes, so to change them from C# to C, all you need to do is select the range and hit Down.

But, better still would be to do as I originally said select the range, hit Delete, then Edit / Tools / Fill With Slashes. Now you have proper slash notation that won't playback and won't transpose. That's because this tool knows to set the "Fix to line" property (which you can see in the Inspector) to prevent transposing, and also to turn off the "Play" property so they won't play back. You could do those things yourself, but "Fill With Slashes" does it for you

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Marc said "what you had originally just normal notes that happened to have slash noteheads"

I never understood what your words meant until now. I could not conceive of a "/" being a different icon for a REAL note. To me a "/" was ALWAYS ALWAYS a place filler. I guess I learned this from hand-drawn LeadSheets wherein "/" means "do what we just did."

And this also explains what the "#" means, since #ing a silent sound makes no sense.

Now I know how to experiment with the original and/or its MuseScore copy.



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