Midi controller input
Hi. Why in Musescore 2.0.2. when you enter notes using midi guitar (in my
case YRGgen2) notes appear in the wrong position on the tablature?
For example, I play the note E on the 12th fret of the sixth string, but
Musescore displays it on a 5 string. Thus it is impossible to introduce the
guitar solo.
In the GuitarPro6 this lack is missing, but I want to use Musescore.
In the end I had to enter the notes using GTP6 and then convert to Musescore.
here is an example of my desired positions on the fretboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vyn58RkD7Q
Comments
see also https://musescore.org/en/node/115311
Standard MIDI in input does not provide MuseScore with this information - just the pitch. I suppose some specialized hardware / software combinations might exist that have their own proprietary way of representing this (different channels for different strings, perhaps) but we have no way of knowing about or dealing with any such proprietary solutions. So MuseScore has the guess at the most appropriate string for any given pitch. Meanwhile, see the Handbook to learn how to enter Tablature information directly into MuseScore with no guesswork required. Also, for information on how to correct any wrong guesses.
In reply to Standard MIDI in input does by Marc Sabatella
See #63491: Tablature should be finger-accurate for Guitar MIDI Controllers
A MIDI guitar uses 6 MIDI channels, one per string, so when a MIDI note is received, MuseScore could eventually check the channel and the note to the right string and so the right tab. If anyone with a MIDI guitar could confirm this, then maybe someone could take a look to code it.
In reply to See #63491: Tablature should by [DELETED] 5
How to confirm this?
Musescore in my case correctly displays only 0-4 frets on the string.
When I play A3 on 5 fret of 6 string Musescore displays it like A3 on 0 fret of 5 string. Etc.
For guitar position is very important.
Only what is needed a tablature.
Why Musescore displays the right strings and the right tabs in GTP files?
In reply to How to confirm by khomkovm
Because in a GTP file there is a fret number and a string number. While when we receive a midi message it's just one number, corresponding to a pitch and we map it to a note, and then to a fret and string number. We need one more information. It seems some guitars are passing this information by using one MIDI channel per string (while a piano for example, use a single channel). Currently MuseScore doesn't use the channel information, it treats all channel equally and doesn't do anything special for guitar (After all, GP is for guitar primarly, MuseScore is not). So that's why you don't see the "right" fret and string.
It would be useful if you could confirm that your guitar does use 6 midi channels, probably by using a MIDI sequencer.
In any case, it would mean that we would have to do something special when the user input notes on a (guitar tablature) staff, and in this case handle the channel information. I wonder how GP deals with non standard tuning or capo. Any idea?
In reply to Because in a GTP file there by [DELETED] 5
I guess the guitar uses 6 midi channels because each string has its own settings.
View screenshot please:
http://vk.com/photo-88721425_421424913
In reply to How to confirm by khomkovm
Yes, position is important. That is why, when inputting notes into MsueScore, you are better off uysing something other than MIDI. Again, please see the Handbook on how to input notes onto tablature staves directly, giving you complete control over which string and fret are used. Or, if you must use MIDI, see that same Handbook to learn how to move a note from one string to another.
In reply to Yes, position is important. by Marc Sabatella
ok
In reply to Yes, position is important. by Marc Sabatella
This is done in Finale this way:
1) In Roland GK-like midi converters, you must send each string in a different MIDI channel.
2) In Finale, you set each string to a different MIDI Channel. Finale have a sort of "listen to channel", utility where it figures out the channel received for each strings (but you must have the appropriate hardware equipment that send different strings in different channels, like the Roland GK hexaphonic pickups and the like) Godin Multiac MIDI guitars works the same way, for example.
3) After this setup, it´s easy to implement a map where pitches are mapped in the right position. Even different tunings can be accomodated easily after this.
hope it helps.
It would be marvellous to have such function in Musescore 3. Very useful for guitarists, that represents a lot of people in terms of users.
Best,
Julio
In reply to This is done in Finale this… by herrlein
A intermediate solution, for people that dont have the hardware would be a short cut to change the string of an specific note, like a pitch "translocation". For example, and E4 can be 10 (1st string open), 25 (2nd str fret 5), 39, 414, 519 and 624 (in a 24 fret guitar).
For example, a command like SHIFT + ARROW UP/DOWN over a fretted note could change the string option for each note.
Best,
Julio
In reply to A intermediate solution, for… by herrlein
This is already present, except it's Ctrl, not Shift.
Here is the Finale Solution.
It would be wonderful to have it in Musescore.
It´s just a mapping of MIDI Channel to Strings.
Best !
Julio
https://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Finale2012Mac/Content/Finale/Guitar…
Here is a MIDI Chart I did some years ago,
It can help to figure out the problem involved in this Tab-String-Filter by channell.
For example, MIDI note #76 appears in all strings (in a 24-fret guitar, for example).
There is a color code:
1) BLUE NOTES: Appear just in one location in the TAB.
2) BLACK NOTES: Appear in two locations in the TAB.
3) GREEN NOTES: Appear in 3 locations in the TAB.
4) 2) BLACK NOTES (BIG FONT): Appear in 4 locations in the TAB.
5) 2) PINK NOTES: Appear in 5 locations in the TAB.
6) RED NOTE: Appear in 6 locations (in the case of 24-fret guitars) or 5 times (in the case of 20, 21 or 22-fret guitars).
Hope it helps to find a solution.
Best !
Julio Herrlein
If you ever develop this, it could be useful to select manually the channel for each string from musescore GUI. I know that ideally that should be done in the midi guitar settings but unfortunately some old ones have fixed channels-string correspondences (eg 1,2,3,4,5,6 from low E to high E in the first YRG1000, which unfortunately seems not updatable anymore). Thanks
In reply to If you ever develop this, it… by oddtime
Yes, the best thing is to have custom midi channels !
Crossing the fingers to have this feature.
Best !