Selecting measure and "play" no longer plays all staves
OS: macOS Mojave (10.14), Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.1.0.22177, revision: 66b30c3
If I select a measure (of necessity in one staff!) and play, it only plays that staff! Although this might be useful sometimes, it is in general extremely counterproductive. I can't easiy select all the staves in the measure if there are more than 2 or 3 of them, ESPECiALLY if (as is almost always the case with double-bass in Baroque music) there are lowest-position staves that are hidden.
[ now viewed by BSG as moot and just a documentation change. Play from a note works as always; play from a selected measure on a staff is actually not so common].
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This has been pointed out in #288855: Feature Request: allow both old and new way of playing back selected parts. From what I've heard, the expectation is that it will be improved before the final release.
In reply to This has been pointed out in… by mike320
This has nothing to do with "looping". I just want to play the measure i just altered, perhaps the single most common operation in interacting with this venerable application!
In reply to This has nothing to do with … by [DELETED] 1831606
But, as I learned there, "Command-click" does what i want, but I wonder if the commands shouldn't be switched, i.e., Cmd(ctrl)-click for "just this staff" and click be "select all staves." I notice that if I err, and select just one staff, a subsequent "Cmd-click" doesn't get it right -- I have to do it twice.
In reply to But, as I learned there, … by [DELETED] 1831606
If you trace the discussion back, you will see it is ultimately the same issue. There was a little discussion on telegram about this also. It seems the plan is to keep the current system of playback and add the new method you stumbled upon that needs fixed.
In reply to This has nothing to do with … by [DELETED] 1831606
Adjusted the issue title to reflect what it's about. Looping is a different thing indeed.
#288855: Feature Request: allow both old and new way of playing back selected parts
In reply to Adjusted the issue title to… by jeetee
I've discovered that if you click on a note and start playing, it plays the whole system, as it ought. In this case, maybe selecting a measure on a staff only playing that part is not so bad at all, and it's just a documentation/getting-used-to-question!
Here's MUCH WORSE.
Select a note somewhere. Now select a measure with Cmd-click somewhere else. Start play. The previously-selected note plays, not the selected measure. Now I can't even reproduce that -- if a note is selected, I CAN'T select by Cmd-click until I deselect the note by clicking blank-space. That is a bug.
In reply to Here's MUCH WORSE. Select a… by [DELETED] 1831606
While I would agree it's a bug. it seems an extremely minor one to me, in that I wonder why you are trying to Cmd-click a measure? Seems an odd thing to try to do. What was the expected result, and why not just use regular click if your goal was not to somehow select the note and measure together?
In reply to While I would agree, I would… by Marc Sabatella
!!? I was trying to Cmd-click to do what just click used to do (before 3.1 and before today), i.e., "select the measure", that is, well enough to play all staves,, from which I would start playing. I have filed a separate bug report for this new problem. Do take a look at it.
In reply to !!? I was trying to Cmd… by [DELETED] 1831606
My goal was to select the measure as a starting point for playing, as I have done every day for years.
In reply to My goal was to select the… by [DELETED] 1831606
(As on the web site as well -- you click on a measure and start playing. Worked fine for years until I tried 3.1 today). As you can read above, "regular click" (in 3.1) now selects only one staff, and (differently) only that staff will play.
In reply to My goal was to select the… by [DELETED] 1831606
So, as mentioned, for now at least, selecting a measure doesn't work for starting normal playback any more, this may well change before release. But still, I don't get why you were trying to use Cmd-click - that makes no sense to me. Instead, simply click - not cmd-click - the note you want to start on. Works perfectly. I'm not sure what made you think to use Cmd-click on a full measure, but it's not really a meaningful operation.
In reply to So, as mentioned, for now at… by Marc Sabatella
I don't want to start on a note, I want to start from a measure. I want to hear all parts, not just one part. I should not have to find a staff that has a note starting on that measure in order to start playing from the measure. I cannot imagine anything more common. Until today, this was one click. Now it is endangered. Is there a reason why this should not be easy? Is there a reason why removing that capability is "better" and should not be fixed?
In reply to I don't want to start on a… by [DELETED] 1831606
That's exactly what clicking a note (or rest) does - plays all parts. Only if you select a range is the playback limited to just the selection. Did you try it? It's still one click, you just change what you click (a note or rest rather than empty space within a measure). How is it harder to click a note/rest than to click a measure? And as mentioned, there is a good chance this behavior will change before release, so a different command will be required to limit playback to the selection. So, I wouldn't worry.
But the Cmd+click thing is interesting. I actually had no idea it did anything at all, and indeed, it didn't in 2.3.2.
Sometime since then, apparently this started working to select a whole measure column, if nothing is selected first. As far as I know, that was not intended - it didn't work that way on 2.3.2 - but it seems harmless enough and maybe even very occasionally useful. But do note, it's not going to work if something else is already selected, because the whole point of that command is to add to the selection, and you can't add a measure and a note together.
In reply to That's exactly what clicking… by Marc Sabatella
I see, so "Cmd click:" ought be the same as "shift click", a selection extender. The discussion above led me to believe that I should use cmd-click to select the whole measure/all parts. Cmd-click or not, it does seem bad that there is no longer an easy way to select the measure, all staves, including ones hidden below the bottom one.
In reply to I see, so "Cmd click:" ought… by [DELETED] 1831606
They are not the same, but they are indeed similar. Cmd+click is for creating list selections (eg, cmd+click individual notes or texts or whatever to create a discontiguous selection of elements). Shift+click is for creating range selectins - everything from one point to another. So Cm+click, as mentioned, really was never intended to do anything at all if you aren't clicking individual elements, and the fact that it currently selects a measure column when clicking empty space nothing rather than doing nothing is really a bug, I think. Certainly it never worked that way in MuseScore 2, so I'm not even sure how you discovered this. But, I would agree that if it's a bug, it's a convenient one I personally don't see any point in fixing :-)
Anyhow, assuming no one fixes that bug, then it does remain easy to select the whole column - just presee Esc or click empty space to make sure nothing is selected, then Cmd+click a measure. The fact that this doens't also reset the play position is more indication to me that everything about this action was unintended, but it would make sense to fix that if we're going to keep the behavior at all. So you might want to file a "suggestion" on that.
In reply to They are not the same, but… by Marc Sabatella
I'll say it for a third time -- I never, ever used cmd-click before today, when the discussion above instructed to me to do so as a substitute for using plain click (on a staff of a measure), which, starting today in 3.1, seemingly works as it did before, putting a blue box around a staff of a measure, but then playing fails (only plays one part). I see now why consider the loss of this function an improvement -- because now the gesture means something else that you couldn't do before (play one part) and there are other ways to select fron a measure for playing. Just have to retrain my fingers, sigh.
In reply to I'll say it for a third time… by [DELETED] 1831606
Got it. Sorry, too many messages coming in to fast for me to follow the threads correctly, and it was total news to me as well that this method of selection was possible.
But again, I am, if not "confident", at least "hopeful" that no retraining of fingers will be needed in the end - that before 3.1 releases, the old behavior of playback with a range selected will be reinstated, and a new command introduced for the new behavior. I commented as such when the change was first proposed but it was decided to just try it and see what happens, which is fine as an experiment during a beta. But I think the number of complaints about it so far supports my original reservations.
In reply to Got it. Sorry, too many… by Marc Sabatella
D'accord.