Ties from above ending in note head
It seems almost all ties from above are ending in the following note head. I have to correct them all.
Perhaps it has to do with the Gonville font? 
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Indeed looks very slightly closer to the notehead as in Emmentaler or Bravura, but still ends before the head
In reply to Indeed looks very slightly by Jojo-Schmitz
No, it ends in the note head otherwise it would not be red...
In reply to No, it ends in the note head by SRH
What has the color of the notehead to do with whether or not the tie ends in it?
In reply to What has the color of the by Jojo-Schmitz
When I move it too close it turns red (during edit)
In reply to When I move it too close it by SRH
it certainly doesn't for me. Please attach the score and precices steps to reproduce. Alse mention MuseScore version and OS.
Ah, now I see. And it does this with Bravura and Emmentaler too, so is not related to that.
Still, if you zoom in enough and are not in edit mode, you see that there is a distance between tie and head in all 3 fonts, with very slight differences
In reply to it certainly doesn't for me. by Jojo-Schmitz
You are right but much closer than other ties, that it why it turns red.
![ties.png]( "ties.png")
In reply to You are right but much closer by SRH
The coloring seems to be due to the fact that the tie enters the bounding box of the notehead, not due to touch the head itself.
In reply to You are right but much closer by SRH
I am not understanding the problerm. Can you post the actual score, and steps to reproduce? You are talking about a note turning red while editing the tie, or talking about the default placement of the tie? The default placement should be very standard in most cases.
In reply to I am not understanding the by Marc Sabatella
When I double click a tie and start moving the right handle the note after it turns red when I get too close. The default placement of ties with curve upwards is almost always so close (at the right side) that the note after turns red (during edit of course). So I just want to say that in these cases the ties are too close, in any case closer than in all other situations.
In reply to When I double click a tie and by SRH
I don't see notes turning red - they normally turn blue for me. This isn't a bug - it is just how MuseScore shows you what note you are proposing attaching to. Maybe something specific about your configuration makes this be red instead of blue, or maybe it is something about your score in particular. If you feel there is a problem having to do with editing ties, please post the specific score you are having problems with, and precise steps to reproduce the problem.
As for the default distance, it looks pretty standard to me in the cases I have tested. Depending on stem direction, tie direction, note spacing, and number of notes in the chords, spacing can vary, but it seems to be within the normal range for how music has traditionally been engraved and what standard guidelines suggestion. Can you post a specific score where you think it is otherwise, and a source that explains what you think the proper distance shhould be in that context?
In reply to I don't see notes turning red by Marc Sabatella
turns blue on voice 1 notes, red on voice 3, I guess?
In reply to turns blue on voice 1 notes, by Jojo-Schmitz
So you might think, but for me it's always blue.
In reply to So you might think, but for by Marc Sabatella
Well, for me it turns red but I don't care which color it is nor do I need help with it. I just wanted to show it is a (minor) error in 2.03 that the ties are really too close at the right hand side and when they curve upwards in many or most cases.
In reply to Well, for me it turns red but by SRH
Again, posting the actual score would help. As I said, there are a numebr of different cases that MuseScore deals with, and in the cases I tried, it lo0ks very standard to me.
In reply to Again, posting the actual by Marc Sabatella
I cannot post this score because it still has to be published by Bärenreiter and also because it is just one random example out of numerous cases fron my 130 pages of harpsichord publication...
That is happens is a fact
In reply to I cannot post this score by SRH
Just post the one measure. Change the specific notes if you like. We casn't investigate a problem we don't know how to reproduce.
In reply to Just post the one measure. by Marc Sabatella
I copied it into a new file, now it is fine. Perhaps it is because originally it was started in 2.02 or perhaps even 2.01?
In reply to I copied it into a new file, by SRH
Unless it was created in 1.x, that's probably not it. More likely it is specific to the exact spacing of the notes, which will depend on the measure widths etc. Like I said, lots of variables involved, which is why we need to see specific examples.
In reply to Unless it was created in 1.x, by Marc Sabatella
Actually when I use the style sheet that I have to use one can see that the tie is (almost) touching the next note.
In reply to Actually when I use the style by SRH
I can see that it is closer to the (right) notehead when the notes are on the line rather than on the space, but when moving the tie handle the notehead turns blue, not red.
In reply to Actually when I use the style by SRH
OK, as mentioned above, Gonville does indeed use noteheads just enough larger to noticeably reduce the space. It's still not actually touching, though. Do you have some source for suggesting what you think to be the proper distance? Gould doesn't give any specific recommendation except to say it should "almost touch", which indeed is what we do. Her examples are kind of inconsistent in the exact amount of distance, depending as it must on many factors. But "most" of hers are more distant than these particular examples.
Also, BTW, why do you "have to" use Gonville?
In reply to OK, as mentioned above, by Marc Sabatella
I don't see a significant diff reg. tie to note distance between Gonvolle, Bravura and Emmentaler
In reply to I don't see a significant by Jojo-Schmitz
It's definitely much closer in Gonville.
Emmentaler:
Gonville:
In reply to OK, as mentioned above, by Marc Sabatella
Forgive the intrusion,
'The extremes of Tie are centered on the note head (in some editions to 0.3s inward);
Chords: 0.3s from the note head;
Chords followed by augmentation dot: after the point at 0.3s.'
HTH
(Riffero, Copista di musica digitalizzata, p.85/86)
In reply to Forgive the intrusion, 'The by Shoichi
Thanks, that is definitely the type of information we are looking for! However, that covers the "standard" case only - ties opposite the stem. It's the specific case of ties on the stem side, or cases of mixed stems, where this comes up. The mixed case is especially problematic - if you flip the first stem downward in the provided example and let the tie flip below, the tie *does* overlap the second notehead. It's only overlapping the bounding box by 0.15sp, but due to the shape of the notehead - which is "fatter" on the bottom than the top on the left hand side - this causes an overlap.
Potentially, we could overlap by less in the horizontal direction, or we could make the adjustment vertically, or both.
In reply to Thanks, that is definitely by Marc Sabatella
When the direction of the stems is mixed the Tie must always be above the staff.
(same source, I will try to provide more accurate information)
In reply to When the direction of the by Shoichi
FWIW, Gould disagrees. Her rule is that when stems are opposite, the tie goes to the "outside" of the middle line, at least for single-voice music. She specifically recommends against the rule you mention, as it can lead to collisions with flags. The rules change when multiple voices become involved.
As with beaming, this is a complex and subjective issue, with lots of special cases to consider. Luckily, the tie code is easier to understand and modify than the beaming code.