Ties overlapping repeats
Often, I want to have the repeated bars end with a run/anacrusis which tie to the first note of a repeat again. Example: Ties and repeats.mscz
Currently this involves a lot of manual work and the work is sometimes lost(part export).
Would it be possible to create a character which is not a tie and has no effect on playback, which can be scaled in length and attached to a note head to the right or left side?
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Yes, this would be good, and has been discussed before. Interestingly enough, MuseScore 2.0 *already* supports a one sided-tie internally. It's a true tie from a layout perspective - can be edited normally, etc. Someday it might even be able to support playback. The only problem is, there is currently no direct way to *create* one of these. But to see it in action, select a note, hit the tie button - which creates a tie to the next note of the same pitch no matter how far away - then double click the tie and drag the end handle back directly on top of the first note. You'll see it turn red, indicating you've successfully changed the end anchor. Now continue dragging to lengthen the tie enough to see. Exit edit mode and there you have it!
Obviously, not really viable, but it shows that the code is basically in place to handle this. All we really need is a way to simplify the process of creating these "one-sided" ties.
In reply to Yes, this would be good, and by Marc Sabatella
Can't try it out, really, because of this issue:
http://musescore.org/en/node/25272
In reply to Can't try it out, really, by TromboRafi
I assume that's because MuseScore is desperately searching for another note of the same pitch to tie to and failing. Plant another note of the same pitch in the next measure and you be able to see it as I described.
In reply to I assume that's because by Marc Sabatella
I understand.
In reply to I understand. by TromboRafi
My opinon is that the tie "trick" with dragging a tie handle on the origin note head could really stay that way. Not many people use it, and they can find out how on google.
However, it doesnt make sense to look for the next note of the same pitch if it is not directly following the origin note. In music, that does not happen. A slur which indicates a phrase/motive should really be done by selecting notes and then pressing s.
In reply to My opinon is that the tie by TromboRafi
Alternatively, this would be a neat way of solving it:
If a selected note is followed by a note of the same pitch and the user presses s or +, the 2 notes are tied.
If a selected note is not followed by a note of the same pitch, and the user presses s or +, create a short tie to the next break or something, which doesn't look for the next note of the same pitch, similar to the one discussed here: http://musescore.org/en/node/25266
If multiple notes are selected and the user presses s or +, make a legato slur which goes from the first to the last note of the selection.
What I like about this behaviour is that it is backwards compatible with 1.3 - if you don't know the new stuff, the behaviour is still the same(+ to tie a note to another, s to make a legato slur...)
What do you think?
In reply to My opinon is that the tie by TromboRafi
It's not a slur; it really is a tie. Just a tie between non-adjacent notes. As I said, it was added to solve a very specific problem - the classic "arpeggio and hold" in piano and guitar music. See http://musescore.org/fr/developers-handbook/scrapbook#Extended-Ties
But I'd be happy with an implementation that said if you really wanted one of those "extended ties", you would have to work harder for it (eg, selecting the start *and* end points before pressing "+"). That way pressing "+" on a single note could work as you describe - normal tie if following note is same pitch, one sided tie if not.
In reply to It's not a slur; it really is by Marc Sabatella
I thought it was for "slur" for piano when they have a slur between a note and a silence (as to hold the pedal i think)