An observation about notating violin temoli

• Oct 7, 2018 - 15:42

Is this a limitation on 2.3.2? Or did I miss something?

When I revert to the notation shortcut, the staccati are uneven as you will see (hear) in the example below.

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Here is a workaround using voice 2.
One voice is invisible; the other does not play.


I also would request an explanation. I browsed the piano roll and the text editor.
It seems changing the note to tremolo literally changes the note to a 16th with a tremolo subtype.
I saw no way to adjust the individual sustains however.

In reply to by mkjnovak

Thank you. It works.

What I had already done was go back to the score and write in the part long hand for now. I will keep this workaround for the next occasion, two movements further in the score, where the violin has persistent tremoli.

I am new at this, and clueless as to how the innards of this software function - such as why your clever solution worked out. I did, however, notice the 16th feel to an eighth tremoli, which is not far off from actual performance. It will be a wonderful day when inserting "simile" or "sempre" in a staff text actually affect performance!

Again, thank you for your time.

In reply to by penne vodka

You're welcome.
If it is not obvious how it is done, under View, make sure 'show invisible' is checked.
Then use the inspector on the right to uncheck 'visible' (or type 'v') for the sounds right part
and uncheck 'play' for the looks right part.
This short repetitive example was easy; a more complex part would be more time consuming of course.

You can put double dots below the notes using the master palette. Press Z and search Tremolo to find them. To get "better" playback use a regular staccato and make it invisible first. You will likely need to move the double dots to the correct locations either by dragging or insert a dot, press ctrl+e then use arrows to move them.

The playback is definitely different for the two even though they should be identical. The notes with a tremolo written on them are definitely longer than those with no tremolo written on them.

In reply to by mike320

Thanks, Mike. I found the double dots after scrolling through a plethora of objects which seem more the purview of an Egyptologist than a musicologist. (46 years in music and I've never seen half of those!)

There is a difference in playback as you've said. (A workaround has been found above.)
I realize the goal here is to notate scores accurately, but in works of mine which have not yet been performed I am elevating playback to a co-equal priority for now, which is why I went back to the score and wrote those passages long hand (for now.)

I now add "Z" to my repertoire.

Thanks again.

In reply to by penne vodka

A very important part of what I wrote was to search, in your case, for tremolo to find the object you want. There is a search box at the top of the dialog box that says "search" in it if you do not have a previous search. If you know what it's called by MuseScore searches can make finding what you want much faster than scrolling, which I have been know to use.

In reply to by mike320

Sorry I messed up. I know you are busy helping so many and I appreciate your time.

FYI - I did notice that when I applied the tremoli from Z, they did not match with the stems accurately as they do from the palette. Also, the double dots were buried in the noteheads and had to be surgically removed (at 400%)to the proper position, yet some remnants remain. I deleted some, and sent other duplicates down over the originals. (Both processes work.) I left them in bar three for you to see what I mean. I thought you'd want to know.

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In reply to by penne vodka

The problems with the dots being placed under most of your notes is the reason I gave specific instructions to help you get them where they belong, though there is a way to move all of them at once. Move one note out of the way (select it and press ctrl+up arrow), select the affected measures, right click the double dot you can now see and use select>all similar items in range selection and use the inspector to move them all at once. Finally remember to move the note back where it belongs.

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