Vocal and Piano systems HELP
So here is my issue, I'm trying to retype some Liturgy for church for our Organist (I'm musical but not that musical) because she wants it in another key. The problem I'm having is that the organ part is in 4/4 but there is no time signature for the vocal part (it's a chant call and response type of thing). If I'm trying to make the music look right I am not allowed to put in a Double Whole Note in a 4/4 measure. How do I get the Grand Staff to be in one Time Signature and the Vocal Staff to be in a completely different time signature where one staff is not affecting the other? Attached below is a picture of the piece of Liturgy I am trying to redo.
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The Liturgy is written... incorrectly? Rewrite all according to 4/4 time, transfer it as best you can, you've heard it not me. All I can say is that isn't written according to standard, perhaps there is someone who cues the vocals?
I'm not sure, but what I can say is if your organ player would like it in a different key, ignore the vocals and rewrite the piano (which should probably be an organ instead).
To answer specifically, Musescore will not allow you 2 different time signatures to my knowledge.
If you have any other questions, please ask, because this is, by it's very nature, a very confusing question.
I'm seeing an alternation between a person (priest?) chanting and a keyboard player with singers in unison.
I would set up the score with 2 "instruments" a vocal and a keyboard (I would use a piano) in 4/4 time. In the measures with a vocal, right click the measure, select measure properties and set the actual duration of each measure so they are correct for the words being chanted in them. In measures where the keyboard plays, just add the notes and lyrics. I would put a 4/4 time signature at the beginning of the score, but on all staves I would right click, select staff properties and remove the check from Show Time Signature. After all notes are entered, I would use the menu Style->General... and check "Hide Empty staves" and remove the check from the item below that starts "Don't hide empty staves..." Finally insert system breaks on the last measure of each chant and each response and you should have a similar display as in your score. You can then make sure nothing is selected and use the menu Note->Transpose... to change the key of the entire score.
If there are any other questions or unclear steps, please ask.
The time signatures are not simultaneous: the soloist sings in one time signature then the choir responds in another. The soloist's staff is simply hidden when the choir sings, and vice versa.
To be clear:
Rather than actually changing time signature of the non 4/4 measures, I recommend using 4/4 everywhere and changing the duration of the measures via right-click Measure Properties.
(If the time signatures had been simultaneous you could use a local time signature, tuplets, or simply change the displayed noteheads to give the appearance of a different time signature.)
In reply to The time signatures are not… by shoogle
(If the time signatures had been simultaneous you could use a local time signature, tuplets, or simply change the displayed noteheads to give the appearance of a different time signature.)
This would never allow for the measures to line up the way they do on the scanned score. It's doable through a lot of underhanded manual changes to make it look right and play acceptable, but local times signatures are not the way to make it work. If the time signatures had been simultaneous, it would look nothing like this.
In reply to (If the time signatures had… by mike320
> If the time signatures had been simultaneous, it would look nothing like this.
Indeed, but I was simply pointing out that MuseScore was in fact able to handle simultaneous time signatures when previous comments hand indicated that this may not be possible.
Lots of stuff to do here: combined measures, invisible staves, stemless notes, short span barlines, horizontal frames, etc.