Add Barré-Sign for Guitar
Above you can see a traditional Barré-Sign for guitar:
vertical line with one hook at the bottom.
Roman numbers at the top indicate fret.
Line is adjustable in hight.
I would suggest to add it to the "lines" palette as it represents a very common and widely used guitar sign. With a nice advantage: hook position indicates number of strings involved in Barré (we use partial and full barré-fingering).
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Indeed, it's a way in some musical editions to indicate Barrés. But quite less widely used than the "standards", BII or C2, eg.
Nevertheless, a workaround allows you to achieve this result, ie with a Special Character.
So: After Ctrl + T + F2, go to "Musical Symbols" tab -> move to 'Keyboards techniques'. And to symbol "play with right hand"
By increasing the size (around 60, as you wish) you get:
(and of course, drop this symbol in a custom palette for reuse later)
In reply to Indeed, it's a way in some… by cadiz1
Look this diskussion:
https://musescore.org/en/node/195311
The sign which I proposed can surely be considered a "standard". I play classical guitar since 1972, studied classical guitar later on. Believe me the above mentioned sign is quite frequent, surely there are differences in use in different countries. The workaround which you propose doesn't work because the sign can't be modified.
In reply to Look this diskussion: https:… by Fabian Payr
I believe you, I am a classical guitar teacher!!
Disagree about the international "standard" (in German publications" probably/surely), but no matter.
Anyway, an official feature request (suggestion) in the Issue Tracker must be the starting point.
In reply to I believe you, I am a guitar… by cadiz1
I didn't do a systematic research on this topic - but it could be that the above mentioned sign is generally more frequent in german editions.
In reply to Indeed, it's a way in some… by cadiz1
You can also create symbols like this by adding a line from the Lines palette then playing with the length and hook settings in the Inspector. You can add it to a custom palette as well, but you'll still need to fiddle with the length each time you add it.
In reply to You can also create symbols… by Marc Sabatella
That's the way I created the sign above. The problem is that those lines every once in a while can change their appearance... Hooks suddenly are smaller (or longer) ...
Meanwhile I decided to do it like this:
Easier to handle, and more reliable. And: more international...
In reply to That's the way I created the… by Fabian Payr
It's really good with superscript. Once done, you can put it in a custom palette (you will never have to do it again). And in addition, I think it's more clear/easiest for the students, for example, but not only.
The display with the line variable in length requires you to look for exactly how many strings this line length corresponds to. For non-expert students, this can be really a difficult task (and synonymous with loss of time, for deciphering e.g.)
With superscript, you have the essential information. Immediatly.
In Canadian and/or Quebec editions (from memory, perhaps others), there is the same idea, but without superscript, for example: 4/6BII (which means Barré 2nd fret, on four strings). Among other variants.
In reply to It's really good with… by cadiz1
Hi, would I be correct in thinking the superscript referred to here is to indicate the number of strings to barre? I am rewriting a score that has two numbers, one on top of the other separated by a horizontal line in front of the Roman numeral representing which fret to barre, and I am trying to recreate that in my score but I don't see how to do that in Musescore (I admit I am not sure what it means except that one number represents the number of strings to barre, and perhaps the other represents the number of notes the barre facilitates). If I can't duplicate the numbers, one on top of the other I am happy to just use the superscript to represent the number of strings to barre, but I can't see how to do that either. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I've attached a pic of the configuration I am referring to from the original score to illustrate what I mean.
In reply to Hi, would I be correct in… by petemac1
In reply to That's the way I created the… by Fabian Payr
"Easier to handle, and more reliable. And: more international..."
I feel like I've offended you a bit! International or not, nobody prevents you from filling in a suggestion in the Issue Tracker, I have no problem with that. I speak under the control of knowledgeable people, but the creation of a new line is not done in a snap of the fingers. I remember the process that led to the creation (by Lasconic), at my request several years ago, of the two arpeggios, right arrows up and down. I couldn't imagine for a second the work required to do that.
And really I would now prefer to create a custom palette with barrés +superscript (see previous comment above) and share it on the forums.
In reply to I feel like I've offended… by cadiz1
No, you did not offend me. I grew up with this sign above - it has some obvious advantages. Specially for bar-chors with only "internal" barré like the A-Major chord:
Today I spent some time checking guitar editions on the Petrucci Library (Tárrega, Barrios, Villa Lobos and others).
You'll find mainly: C V ....... // B 4e........... // C. VII ........... // C. 2a....... //
As often with guitar notation there's not THE ONLY SOLUTION, the ONE AND ONLY STANDARD.
(Just look at the chaos in the field of flageolets...)
Thank you for enlarging my horizon!
In reply to No, you did not offend me. I… by Fabian Payr
Okay, cool.
![arpeggio.jpg]( "arpeggio.jpg")
To my knowledge, the internal barré is usually/rather written with the sign that one finds as an arpeggio - so, with two hooks (in the same palette, then). Precisely to clearly delimit the grip of this internal barré.
Moreover, this sign may possibly serve as another workaround. It can be edited very easily, and if we add a dotted line after the hook (when there is a need of course), we could admit that.
Edit: In fact, what is needed is to be able to edit the hooks of this arpeggio, and the problem would be solved!
But I definitely prefer barrés with superscript. Maybe I'll create a special palette for that! :)
"there's not THE ONLY SOLUTION, the ONE AND ONLY STANDARD."
Indeed, and there is more than this: sometimes there are obvious inconsistencies within the editions themselves. For example, I see Schott's anthology for romantic guitar in four volumes. In a volume, the barrés are indicated with C4-------]
And in another volume, the notation is as you are used to with the variable length line.
And this is just one example among many.
In reply to Okay, cool. To my knowledge,… by cadiz1
The arpeggio sign which you mentioned could be helpful also in cases where the barré is fingered by other fingers than the first:
In reply to [inline:Bildschirmfoto 2019… by Fabian Payr
This could be a solution too:
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Briliant idea!
I vote for a suggestion inside the issue tracker too for this music notation of barré. At least in German publications it isn't uncommon. I could imagine, that it could be possible to adjust the available text line element in that way.
In reply to I vote for a suggestion… by kuwitt
Hallo kuwitt, which text line element do you mean?
The arpeggio sign above is very close to idea (but the hooks are not editable)
In reply to Hallo kuwitt, which text… by Fabian Payr
I'm talking about this one:
But at time there are limitations: It's possible to allow "diagonal" for the line inside the inspector, but then it isn't possible to set a 90 degree begin and/or end hook.
It's possible to shorten the line and setting a negative value for the begin hook, but it isn't possible to adjust it, if you need a hook above and below the line.
And for both it isn't possible to change the position of the "begin text".
But maybe it's easier to implement, if a similar element as the arpeggio element would be adjustable.