Voices 1 and 2 order
I'm trying to notate a score as shown in the attached picture.
The first picture in the original score which I would like to recreate.
The second is how Musescore renders and positions it as is, i.e. without any manual intervention.
As can be seen the beams are not in the correct positions.
The third is after manually flipping beams of both voices.
But after flipping the 2nd voice appears before the first voice.
Is there way to notate the original, without playing around with offsets etc.
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Comments
Swapping voice 1 and 2 might help
In reply to Swapping voice 1 and 2 might… by Jojo-Schmitz
(OP) You do by selecting the measures, and using Tools > Voices > Exchange 1 & 2.
In reply to (OP) You do by selecting the… by [DELETED] 1831606
I tried doing that however its reverting back to the layout like image 2.
Notes of voice-1 (and voice-3) are relatively high and the stems (and beams) are upwards.
Notes of voice-2 (and voice-4) are relatively low and the stems (and beams) are downwards.
If you consider this feature when entering notes, you don't have to edit them later.
In reply to Notes of voice-1 (and voice… by Ziya Mete Demircan
So how do I consider this?, I mean I entered the notes like a layman would and the results are in the 2nd image.
But the original score has voice1 with beams and stems downwards and voice2 with beams and stems upwards, which is contrary to what Musescore expects.
In reply to So how do I consider this?,… by MelodicMajor
As Ziya said, use voice 1 if you want the stems upward and voice 2 if you want them downward. If you type X at any selected note, the stems will flip.
In reply to As Ziya said, use voice 1 if… by [DELETED] 1831606
In the past I have entered notes in voice 2 in an empty bar.
But when I tried to enter notes in voice 2 in a bar that had a voice 1 note, I failed.
The voice 2 notes were to go after the voice 1 note.
Can that be done?
In reply to In the past I have entered… by cedy
Have you read the handbook page on "voices"? It shows exactly how to do this.
In reply to Have you read the handbook… by [DELETED] 1831606
If you are writing a composition for four voices on four staves, use voice ONE on each staff. See the handbook page on voices.
In reply to If you are writing a… by [DELETED] 1831606
Hmmm..........looks like I am not making myself clear.
The handbook shows two examples of voice 2 notes starting exactly below the first voice 1 note.
I want my voice 2 notes to start AFTER the voice 1 note in the bar.
Am I not understanding something here?
In reply to Hmmm..........looks like I… by cedy
Then you have to enter rests in voice 2, as in any printed music when one voice starts after the other on the same staff.
In reply to Then you have to enter rests… by [DELETED] 1831606
I want the voice 2 notes above Oh! Oh! Oh!
Can't do it up to now.
In reply to I want the voice 2 notes… by cedy
You need to start with voice 2 rests at the start of the measure
In reply to You need to start with voice… by Jojo-Schmitz
When I learn to do it ten years from now, I'll come back to the forum and make a big announcement.
At present, am just spinning top in mud.
In reply to When I learn to do it ten… by cedy
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In reply to Four of us now have failed… by [DELETED] 1831606
You are so kind.
In reply to You are so kind. by cedy
I deleted my remark because I looked again at your sample, and, indeed, your first example shows what you are trying to do. You can't do that in MuseScore; it has a standard of how it lays out note heads according to accepted standards of publishing, and that's not (other than note-by-note) adjustable. If we can't understand you, maybe it's our fault, too. Anyway, you can't do what you want; it's not possible. End.
In reply to I deleted my remark because… by [DELETED] 1831606
I like how you came to your senses quickly.
In reply to I deleted my remark because… by [DELETED] 1831606
If we can't understand you, maybe it's our fault, too.
;-)
Especially when the 'MuseScore_voices.png' from MelodicMajor (the OP) and the 'Screenshot (17).png from cedy are displaying two different issues. Lots of cross-talk may ensue.
In reply to As Ziya said, use voice 1 if… by [DELETED] 1831606
I tried doing but it still doesn't solve the problem. First I enter all the notes with the stems pointing down in Voice 2. Then as soon as I start entering the notes with the stems pointing upward in Voice 1 the tend to be positioned before Voice 2. But I need them to be positioned after Voice 2 as per the original notation.
In reply to I tried doing but it still… by MelodicMajor
Do you have any music paper? Or can you otherwise draw on a piece of paper what it is you want to see, scan it, and post it here? If you can show me what you want it to look like on paper, I can tell you how to enter it. Musescore can handle four polyphonic, rhythmically-independent voices on a single staff with no problem, as in classical guitar and polyphonic violin music. Show an image of what you want to see. Words aren't working.
In reply to Do you have any music paper?… by [DELETED] 1831606
I had an attachment, please check my first post, I need to recreate the first image, the one in black and white.
Oh, are you saying that you don't like the positioning of the HEADS? That's not easy to change, but you can move the heads with the inspector (but click on "chord" x-offset). You'd have to do that for a lot of notes. If this is what you're talking about, there's not much you can do.
Anyone want to comment on what the standard is in notation here?
In reply to Oh, are you saying that you… by [DELETED] 1831606
Yes that note head positioning was what I was talking about. And I tried the x-offset setting earlier but I was hoping there was a better way of doing it.
I just would like to understand why its difficult for Musescore to recreate the exact layout.
The best I could come up with (without using offsets):
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/noteheads#shared-noteheads
In reply to The best I could come up… by Jm6stringer
Thanks for sharing.