l.h. piano fingering

• Apr 6, 2020 - 20:37

I need to insert fingerings for a set of major arpeggios (for piano). One stave only, treble cleff. I've gotten the R.H. fingerings in above the notes. When I try to insert the L.H fingerings below the notes, I'm able to open the Inspector and choose Placement>Below. Then the blue box for text insertion moves below the notes. But I can't type anything in. It's just frozen and doesn't respond to any key strokes. If I close the inspector, the text insertion point also closes, and when I reopen it from Add>Text>Fingering, it's back above the note. If I try to select the box itself, nothing happens. If I select the note again, the box disappears. What should I do?


In reply to by Shoichi

Ok. That works. However it's VERY cumbersome. I have to click on each note to add the fingering rather than being able to advance using the space bar. And then I have to select each fingering one at a time and choose Below from the Inspector. Is there an easier way?
Thank you very much!

In reply to by Shoichi

I'm still having problems. I can get one fingering number below the note, but as soon as I click on the next note, the number pops back up above the note and also above the R.H. fingering number. I don't have an option for Fingering L.H. I do have L.H guitar fingering, which gives me the same result. I don't know how to set the L.H. as a fingering option. When I followed the steps you suggested and hit the S key, I had the same result. The number will appear below the note until I move the cursor to the next note. Then it pops back up above the note. I read through the link you sent me. Thank you. I see there are some User options under the Fingering tab. Can I set one of those to be a custom L.H. fingering for my own use?

In reply to by Teacher Ann

I see Marc's in action...
I am (shamelessly) waiting for his contribution

Save the attachment (right click and Save destination as);;
Right click on it->Rename;
Replace the extension (gif) with mp4;
Double click on the renamed file to view it.
Hoping it will help you.

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I'm confused by what you are saying, because the default for fingering on the bass clef staff is already below the staff. You shouldn't need to do anything to make that happen. Did you perhaps create the score as two separate instruments of one staff each, instead of a single piano with two staves? That would create the behavior you describe I guess. You'd need to fix the score first - add another staff to the top instrument, copy the music from the second instrument to that staff, delete the second instrument. But once you've done that, everything should just work, no need to flip anything anywhere.

If you continue to have trouble please attach your score and describe exactly where the problem occurs.

In reply to by Teacher Ann

Oh, I get it. Somehow when you said "One stave only, treble cleff. I've gotten the R.H. fingerings in above the notes", I thought you just meant, you have the RH fingerings on one staff only, and now you're trying to get LH fingerings on the other staff.

Anyhow, your basic problem here is that MuseScore don't really expect you to have multiple fingerings of the same type attached to literally the same note. There's a ton of special-casing going on with fingering to get the right things to happen in the cases we do expect, but nothing to handle this.

So, the trick is to convert what you have into something MuseScore does expect. I could think of a few ways of doing this. Maybe the best is to enter the notes into both voice and voice 2, with the RH - like literally the same notes in both - with the RH fingering in voice 1 (which displays above the staff) and the LH in voice 2 (which displays below). You could do this easily by doing Ctrl+A to select all, Ctrl+C to copy, Tools / Voices / Exchange Voice 1-2 to move the notes to voice 2, then Ctrl+V to paste them back into voice 1. By default whole note unisons won't overlap, but they do if you set the head type explicitly in the Inspector. So, with everything still selected (or Ctrl+A to select all again), press Notes in Inspector to get just the notes, then set "Head type" to whole. Now you'll be able to enter the fingerings as you want. If you literally follow those steps with what you have now, you'll have the RH fingering duplicated below the staff. You could avoid that by turning off the Fingering in View / Selection Filter before doing the copy (then turning them back on, or you may have trouble with further operations).

Sounds a little complicated I realize, but it actually takes only a few seconds. I've attached my version, with the duplicated fingerings intact so you can see them.

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Arpejos_Maiores - LH.mscz 18.79 KB

In reply to by Teacher Ann

Great! FWIW there are probably other ways of getting the job done, including disabling automatic placement and positioning things manually, or using an custom text style, what I like about the method I suggested is that at some level it beat models what you are actually doing: showing two sets of arpeggios at once, with notes for the RH and LH that just happen to be the same notes. So for example, a blind user reading your score with a screenreader would better be able to follow the action. Also if you later decide you do want to split this into two staves, it would be easy enough.

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