Still having trouble, please help.
Hello again,
With all of the help that you have given me, I have managed to get this far on "El Noi de la Mare". Now, I have another problem. For measure 4, I have successfully entered voice 1 notes. Now, I'm trying to enter voice 2, starting with a quarter note G#, and no matter how I try, it doesn't come out correctly.
Here is the score so far.
I've backed up to the first of the measure and no matter what I do, no success.
Shouldn't I be able to go to voice 2 and enter the G# and remaining voice 2 notes?
Louis
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Check the Handbook for note input modes https://musescore.org/en/handbook/note-input-modes
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/voices
you can copy and paste if you need to
Instead of a PDF, much better to attach the score. But we'd also need to know what it is you are trying to enter, otherwise we can't you how to enter it. So a PDF or other image of what you want it to look like would be needed.
As it is, the stem directions look pretty messed up, which combined with the fact you mention having trouble with voice 2, suggests to me you tried entering notes or rests there and then deleted them, thus leaving "holes" you will need to fix.
In reply to Instead of a PDF, much… by Marc Sabatella
Marc,
Thanks again. It seems that I can successfully enter some of the measures, but when there are more than 2 voices, nothing that I do works. Here is Tavi Jinariu's version of El Noi. It's measure 4 that I'm now trying to enter. After I enter voice 1 notes, the 8th D, 16th C, 8th B, quarter A, 8th C, then move back to the first of the measure, go to voice 2 and try to enter the quarter G#, things start to mess up.
Louis
In reply to Marc, Thanks again. It… by LBrandt
As I said, in order to say for what is going on, we need you to attach to score - the actual MSCZ file. But I strongly suspect it is because of what I said above and you will have to fix the holes you created.
In reply to As I said, in order to say… by Marc Sabatella
Ok, here it is.
In reply to Ok, here it is. by LBrandt
That does not look like the same score you showed a picture of. In this one, it seems you took what should have been a single chord and entered it as a whole bunch of separate notes in different voices - that's why the stems don't align. Your picture does appear to show a correctly entered chord in voice 1, so I can assume it was taken from a different file. We'd need that one in order to help. But once again, I am confident the problem will turn out to be that in your experimentation here, you entered some notes into voice 2, deleted them, then deleted the remaining rests, and left yourself with "holes" you will now need to correct. The way to do that, FWIW, is use Tools / Voices / Exchange Voice 1-2 , twice.
You've also forced some stems to the wrong direction. Don't do that. Let MuseScore take care of the stems. It knows what to do as you enter the notes into different voices, attempting to force the issue will only cause problems. So for instance, in this version of the file, the stems should not have been forced up in bar 5. Until you enter the second voice, it's correct for the stems to be down, and MuseScore knows this. It will flip the stems up automatically once you start entering voice 2.
In reply to That does not look like the… by Marc Sabatella
Actually, I see something else too - your picture of your attempt shows a chord in voice 1, but that's not what your scan off the original shows - it shows a single note in voice 1 but the chord in voice 2. So in addition to anything else, you'll need to remove those notes from voice 1 and add them to voice 2 instead.
In reply to That does not look like the… by Marc Sabatella
Marc,
Ok, here is the score, with only voice 1 shown in measure 4 (that's the measure that I'm referring to). Even though there may be errors in other measures, I'd like to concentrate on just 4.
My problem is that, after entering notes for voice 1, I cannot get the other voices entered,
Louis
In reply to Marc, Ok, here is the score,… by LBrandt
This version does seem to match the version in your picture, so good, we can work from here
So, it has exactly the problem I guessed - in your experimentation, you must have tried adding notes and rests then deleting them, leaving you with "holes" you need to fix. Do what I said previously - select the measure, exchanges voice 1 & 2 twice. This fills the holes with rests. Now you can enter voice 2 normally, starting from the left and working your way to the right. The E you have there currently does not belong, but no need to delete it, it will get overwritten once you enter the correct notes. I assume that E was meant to represent the E that actually is part of the chord in voice 1.
But actually, now that I look, you've entered voice 1 incorrectly also, it should have started with a dotted eighth, not an eighth. So really, what there now is pretty wrong all around, best to just click the measure, press Delete, and start over on that. Not that it isn't possible to work with what's there, but it's off by enough that it's really easier to just do that measure over.
In reply to This version does seem to… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks still again Marc,
Here is a basic question: As an example, suppose on a given measure in 6/8 time, I enter the first voice 1 note as a quarter note, using two beats, then continue to fill in the rest of voice 1. When I then backspace to the beginning of the measure and prepare for voice 2, suppose that the first note of voice 2 is supposed to begin a 1/16 after the start of beat 1. Do I first enter a 1/16 rest before entering the note? It's just that no matter what I do when I attempt to begin voice 2, it doesn't work as I expect.
Louis
In reply to Thanks still again Marc,… by LBrandt
Yes.
Always from left to right for each voice
In reply to Do I first enter a 1/16 rest… by jeetee
Thanks again Marc,
Maybe it's the fact that I'm not entering rests that's messing up the process. So you are saying that no matter whether I'm entering a note or a rest, I must completely fill in the voice from left to right, without leaving out any beats or portions of beats. Is that correct?
And is there a way to enter a rest without the rest sign actually showing?
Louis
In reply to Thanks again Marc, Maybe it… by LBrandt
yes, completely left to right. Once entered you can either delete the 'superfluous' rests or make them invisible. Or wait for 3.5, which has an option to merge them with the corresponding voice 1 rests in the staff properties
In reply to yes, completly left to right… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks Jojo,
How do you make them invisible?
Louis
In reply to Thanks Jojo, How do you make… by LBrandt
Just like anything else: Select it and either use the inspector or the shortcut 'V'
In reply to Just like anything else:… by jeetee
What is the inspector, and what is the shortcut V?
In reply to What is the inspector, and… by LBrandt
Inspector: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/inspector
"shortcut 'V'" means: press the key V on your keyboard
In reply to Instead of a PDF, much… by Marc Sabatella
I even tried first filling the measure with 12 16th rests, so I could move along the beats as I entered each note, but that didn't help.
In reply to I even tried first filling… by LBrandt
https://musescore.org/en/handbook
In reply to https://musescore.org/en… by xavierjazz
Indeed. Please do yourself a favor and the the entire handbook once front to back, it is time well invested and saved later
In reply to Indeed. Please do yourself a… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo,
You are right, I need to read the book. I just thought that the software was a little easier to use, but I suppose that it has to have so many options that one must read the manual to fully utilize it.
Louis
In reply to Jojo, You are right, I need… by LBrandt
Indeed. It's easy to do the basics, but what you are dealing with here is fairly complex notation - three voices on a single staff, with a mid-measure entrance on one voice that requires hidden rests, etc. There's no getting around needing to consult documentation for something like that.
In reply to Indeed. It's easy to do the… by Marc Sabatella
Marc,
Thanks again. Yes, El Noi does have some interesting voicing at times. I know that your book "Mastering Musescore" will give me all of the necessary tools to do the work, but I didn't expect that there would be so much to learn. I've been playing guitar for some time, but it's my first introduction to music writing software. I had been using some handwritten scores for several pieces, including El Noi, and my objective was to get them into a more readable form.
I will continue to work with the software and (please forgive) if I do from time to time, ask additional questions.
Again, very best regards,
Louis
In reply to Marc, Thanks again. Yes, El… by LBrandt
Hi Louis. Im new yo the software as well but have found everyone to be very accommodating. I've played a bit with voices but the rests is the secret. To make it easy for me i first get my rests right no matter which voice i am busy with. So ill select e.g. half note then right click on the full rest to have two rests, the quarter note and again right click on the rest or rests and so on, also adding my dotted rests where needed. Once my rests are perfect then i start adding my notes for the various voices. Might be the long way round but having multiple guitar strums or notes become hard to follow if your rests are not right. Hope you come right.
In reply to Hi Louis. Im new yo the… by mrkwiggill
Hi. There's a typo in your post, " e.g. half note then right click on the full rest to have two rests, ". A full rest is a single rest encompassing the whole (in 4/4), a 1/2 rest is a half of that. :) Glad you are trying to help.
You don't need to add the rests first.
-Just press 4 (as you are still in edit mode) and 0 (zero) and an 1/8th rest will appear, then press the 1/8 note name you want and the note will appear etc. For a dotted quarter duration press 5 and the period.
Have a great day and keep asking and answering questions :)
In reply to Hi. There's a typo in your… by xavierjazz
4 is 1/8 note.
In reply to 4 is 1/8 note. by LBrandt
Thanks. I'll fix. :)
In reply to Hi. There's a typo in your… by xavierjazz
Thanks Xavier. Apologies, even tho my English is fair, my music terminology is zero to none. Muse score is busy teaching me the ants on the paper and the terminology. Thankyou for the correction.
In reply to Thanks Xavier. Apologies,… by mrkwiggill
:)
No problem, I made a typo in my response and was corrected. It happens.
In reply to Hi Louis. Im new yo the… by mrkwiggill
Hi,
Thanks for the advice. Yes, I now think that getting the rests correct is the secret to getting all of it done right.
I've been working on one piece for days, with very little success, but the recent advice that I've gotten from you and from others about rests will help me get things correct.
Louis
In reply to Hi, Thanks for the advice. … by LBrandt
Louis im not sure what kind of guitarist you are (Rhythm / lead etc) but something that helps me alot is the fretboard plugin. You select you note type and then create your chords or notes or strumming on the fretboard while it copies everything you do straight into the score. I use it to create almost everything. Since i cant read notes (yet), im able to transfer my old pieces that i used to play (whether arpeggio or lead or Rhythm). Its 500% better than the sibelius chord creator as well as the gp chords creater can learn a few things from this plugin. If the is a place to bote for plugins, ill give it thumbs up all the way. I found it under the plugins section on the .org site. Got no idea how to point you to it.
In reply to Louis im not sure what kind… by mrkwiggill
Thanks again. I play classical guitar. I don't know anything about the fretboard plugin though.
In reply to Thanks again. I play… by LBrandt
Might come in handy to you. Basically its a fretboard and whatever you add on it goes to your score. I have alot of arpeggio and tabbed music so it helps me alot. If i recall it was about 150k in download size. Wasnt huge and then you just add it to your plugin folder and then tick it under your plug in manager. Im still looking for a voice plugin that colors voices. Working with 3 voices now and im 100% sure i lost track of which voice does what. If i find one ill give you a heads up
In reply to Might come in handy to you… by mrkwiggill
Thanks again.
In reply to Might come in handy to you… by mrkwiggill
@mrkwiggill: https://musescore.org/en/project/color-notes-each-voice