Select >1 Note Articulations, Delete, And Then Auto-Select All Notes

• Nov 22, 2020 - 20:45

This is a horrible title... clearly irrelevant.
Okay, I want to have this:
Selection4.png
And right now I have this:
Selection1.png
You can see the difference. So naturally to do the change, I select all the staccati that I want to delete, and place like in the image above (those highlighted notes aren't clearly blue but if you stretch your eyes a lot you can see them). In this point I'm thinking that:
1. Deleting them will auto-select all the 5 notes I selected like in the image below:
Selection3.png
Instead I get this:
Selection2.png
Perhaps there's another shortcut for what I want?
2. Instead of deleting those and then placing the accents-staccati, I will skip the deleting step and just click the articulation from the palette and expect it to replace the staccati. BASICALLY instant replacement (not sure if that's a good title for it). But it doesn't happen.

Any way to do either? Or both. If not, should I suggest those as features?


Comments

Since there are toggle shortcuts for both the staccato and accent, you can select the actual notes and apply those shortcuts (shift+s and shift+v) the notes will then still be selected. This won't work on something like staccatissimo that does have the ability to define a shortcut but would for the tr direction from articulations or bowing since you can define a shortcut even though there is not one by default.

In reply to by mike320

No I didn't mean that... Because the shortcut works only for when the notes are empty. This means I have to select every note after I delete the articulation. My point is to avoid selecting them all a second time, by making musescore autoselect every note, of which's the articulation was deleted, after their deletion.

In reply to by Iothes

The shortcut toggles the articulation and leaves the note selected. So select the notes, press shift+v to turn off the accents, then shift+s to turn off the staccatos and the notes will still be selected. You don't need to select them a second time.

In reply to by Iothes

When you delete a fingering, the note is automatically selected and therefore ready to accept another fingering or any palette item in one click.
When you ctrl-click several fingerings and delete them, instead of selecting all notes so they are ready to accept another palette item in one click, MuseScore only selects one of them :-(
That is utterly ridiculous, I have introduced a request years ago to have it changed.

In reply to by mike320

@mike

1 - easy fingering mode has nothing to do with that. When in my accordion score there is some 'o' fingerings scattered through the score to be challenged, after selecting all of them and delete, play the score, decide that it will be a 'a' on all these notes, if the notes were selected how easy it would be to just click on 'a' in the palette.

2 - don't focus on fingering, my remark is true for any delete of a bunch of notes attachments, fingerings, articulations, ...

3 - good UI implement the principle of least surprise (aka consistency).
Select one fingering, delete, the note is selected.
Select several fingerings, delete, surprise: one of the note is selected, not all of them. That is bad.

In reply to by frfancha

These have different keyboard methods for entering them, so the result from deleting them is different. Fingerings are not articulations, they are text and they act like text. Select several staff texts or dynamics and delete them and you get consistent results. In the case of articulations, unfortunately not all of them can have shortcuts currently so you can't toggle a staccatissimo but once you use the shortcut to delete the existing accent you can apply a new one to all at once.

Accordions are strange instruments from a notation point of view. They have things that other instruments just don't. Having said that, fingerings do not stay consistent on any instrument, that's why they're placed in the score by the composer. To suggest, "This is how I imagine it being played." And then fingerings vary from note to note. A B might be finger 1 in one place, then later in the same measure might be 3. Entering fingerings just isn't like entering an articulation so it makes sense that the method of doing so would be different. People are likely to want to replace all selected staccattos with staccatissimos. If you want to replace all fingering 3's with 4's it's a fluke.

In reply to by mike320

Still tho, I do agree that it's a surprise to see that not all of the notes are selected after deleting their articulation... I think this one deserves an issue in the tracker. But I want write one for it if you can't agree.

In reply to by Iothes

Like text, if you select the articulations and delete them, only the first note is left selected. If you use the shortcut to toggle them, then the notes always remain selected. This is still consistent in my opinion and a good result. What would be nice would be shortcuts to toggle more/all articulations or even better, everything in the palettes, then even fingerings would leave notes selected when toggled.

In reply to by mike320

Having 1 shortcut per item is unnecessarily making musescore confusing, cause imagine learning every one of them. Also I believe it's not worth it because having one shortcut for everything while you delete, seems easier to remember. What I mean is that, you have selected many notes and you want them all selected after the deletion of the articulation above them, then you press (shortcut)+delete and they are all automatically selected again.

Then again making Musescore do it automatically, without any shortcut, seems the best and faster because in case you didn't want al the notes to be automatically selected again, you just have to unselect everything ,the fastest way to do this being a click in an empty place of the score.

I cannot understand why you prefer a shortcut.

In reply to by Iothes

MuseScore wouldn't predefine shortcuts it would just make them possible. There are way too many to make reasonable assignments for everyone. I would never define a shortcut for fingerings because I very rarely use them and fast input is fine with me when I do. If the function is going to be that shortcuts toggle items attached to notes and leave the notes selected, them make it apply to every situation for consistency. Then if you want to delete items let deleting items always leave only the start of the selection selected. There is then no confusion as to what to expect.

In reply to by mike320

Well, I think people who would want to be faster would be a bit confused. No, it's more right to say that I am still confused with you xD . I'm not sure what goes on with fingering, but I personally started this for articulation. I don't know how fingering works so I cannot touch that part.

I just had some ideas that could make working in Musescore a bit faster for composers.

The first would be for musescore to automatically select all the notes after the deletion of their articulation, in order to avoid selecting all of them a second time, which can be painful sometimes.

The second would be to have a special shortcut for when deleting articulation (or maybe anything else) that will basically select all notes of whiches' articulation was deleted, again to prevent the need to reselect everything. That shortcut would be applied with the DELETE button of course. So it would be for example:
"Button1"(+ Button2, +Button3 etc) +DELETE

In reply to by Iothes

Group deletes (multiple articulations, lyrics, fingerings etc.) keep only the first note they're attached to selected and this is what I think is best. As for the other articulations, I'm very much in favor of allowing the user to define shortcuts for all palette items and having them either toggle or have a selectable option to make them a toggle. I think there are a few things that a toggle would not make sense for, like permitting most of the line palette elements to toggle would be nearly impossible.

In reply to by mike320

'' Group deletes (multiple articulations, lyrics, fingerings etc.) keep only the first note they're attached to selected and this is what I think is best ''

I can't see why keeping only the first note selected is better than keeping all of them.
Going from only the first note selected to the original selection is long and painful, especially if that was a "complex" selection that can only be achieved by ctrl-click
Going from all notes selected to just one is done in one click or 1 key press.

Could you elaborate why you think that the current behaviour is better?

In reply to by mike320

Hmmm. Either I don't get your point or can't agree:

I find having my solution as a better default because selecting a single note is fast, but selecting multiple articulation NOT IN ROW (as seen in the images I have posted in the top) takes much more time than selecting one note. So it won't be a pain to select 1 note.

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