Longer Notes (Side by Side) In One Voice
Hi. I'm working on Allemande BWV 996 by J.S. Bach at present but i can't figure out how to input longer note side by side in one voice.
Basically there are three parts, top part (quarter B), middle part (16th rest, 16th E, 16th G, 16th B) and lowest part (dotted eighth E, eighth G, 16th B). I can write the top part and the middle part but i can't write the lowest part..
There are four 16th in a quarter, i want 16th rest in first 16th, dotted eighth in second 16th, eighth in third 16th and 16th in fourth 16th. But when i add the dotted eighth in the second 16th it fills the voice duration and goes to the next beat and i can't write the eighth G and 16th B.
I uploaded a picture. I hope i can find the answer here.
Thanks.
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Comments
You need 3 voices for that, see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/voices
In reply to You need 3 voices for that by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, i know that and i am having this problem when writing third voice.
In reply to Yes, i know that and i am… by f.carulli
You need to start the 3Rd voice toehold a 16th rest, you can delete or hide it later
In reply to You need to start the 3Rd… by Jojo-Schmitz
Can you explain it simply :D I uploaded two more pictures.
In reply to Can you explain it simply :D… by f.carulli
Ah, I see, those have different durations so won't fall on the same time.
Not possible with MuseScore (without trickery) and musically wrong anyway
In reply to Ah, I see, those have… by Jojo-Schmitz
I don't know where your excerpt/image came from (?), but it is incorrect. Two voices are simply enough in the beginning of this Allemande (well known to guitarists) by Bach. See:
In reply to I don't know where this… by cadiz1
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In reply to Ah, I see, those have… by Jojo-Schmitz
What do you mean by saying "without trickery"
In reply to What do you mean by saying … by f.carulli
I assume that the source of your image has something to do with some version of this Allemande. It seems to make a bad compromise (or an attempt at compromise!) between the writing for guitar, and the source which "we suppose" was written for a harpsichord-lute (on two staves)
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It would be really too long to go into detail. However, this suite BWV 996 is known only through two copies from Bach's immediate circle: one by J.G. Walther, an organist, the other by N. Gerber, who was a student of Bach in Leipzig. Its destination is based on a simple note on Walther's manuscript: "aufs Lauten Werck".
In his mind, "this was not so much the lute as the Lautenclavicymbel, which combines the sweet harmony of the lute with the perfection of a keyboard instrument" (this entire quotation and source comes from the cover of Hopkinson Smith's recording of Bach's lute works - a master piece)
This instrument: http://www.baroquemusic.org/barluthp.html
Sources (on IMSLP):
Having fallen into disuse, this instrument is no longer played (except by a few specialists, I suppose). This suite is now played on the lute, and on the guitar (on a single staff). And on the harpsichord, of course! (Several recordings on YT)
Knowing that lute and guitar players do not need tied note indications in this kind of writing of certain measures (harmonically, it is obvious here). They know from experience and by the context which notes to hold and which to release when needed. So, the most sober is more than enough :)
Image below from published score (Verlag/Hofmeister)