Repeat structure
I have a piece (attached) with repeated sections ABBA and not wanting to have the score written out without repeats.
It's not a Swedish girl band.
I know this is a musical rather than a MS question, but putting section A in repeats was the only way of getting the playback to work.
I can't help feeling that to the singer it looks wrong at the end of section A, as if he has to repeat that section straightaway.
I've used Fine and DC al Fine to achieve all this, as you can see.
Thanks for your help in anticipation
Ali
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Select with a click D.C. and via Inspector check if you have ticked Play repeats.Also see: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/voltas it seems to me that the lines are in the wrong place.
In reply to Select with a click D.C. and… by Shoichi
I'm not sure what you're getting at.... I've tried it with and without the repeat check box. I've deliberately speeded up the score, you can see that it actually repeats correctly, but there must be a simpler way to achieve this without having repeat marks in section A? This is a boundary question between Musescore and music I do realise!
If it was A followed by A followed by B followed by B it would be a doddle. But it's not.
In reply to I'm not sure what you're… by Ali Wood
I'm not a musician but it seems to me this line is out of place
or the repeat barline
In reply to I'm not a musician but it… by Shoichi
That 2nd volta is designed to bring the piece to a close. If there's a musician out there perhaps they'll think of an easier way. Cheers.
In reply to That 2nd volta is designed… by Ali Wood
Did you check my attachment (*Bis)?
Or maybe the 2nd Volta is superfluous (is the Fine enough)?
In reply to That 2nd volta is designed… by Ali Wood
That measure under the 2nd volta is in fact a coda. It needs to go at the end, after the B section. Replace the Fine with a To Coda and replace the DC al Fine with a DC al Coda. Then get rid of the voltas and the repeats on the A section They don't work that way in MuseScore or in standard music notation.
In reply to That measure under the 2nd… by SteveBlower
Well with help from both of you I have created a (thankfully shortened) version which I believe works and I attach it if you'd be good enough to say whether I 've done what you suggested.
Monteverdi 8.4 short.mscz
In reply to That measure under the 2nd… by SteveBlower
The "To Coda" notation looks odd where it is though. To a layman that would suggest singing the coda just after he's begun!!
In reply to The "To Coda" notation looks… by Ali Wood
If Steve suggests nothing else I ask: Can you indicate the desired sequence? I mean: From (measure) 1 to x, from... a... etc.
Edit... quater?
In reply to If Steve suggests nothing… by Shoichi
If you are able to run the playback that is exactly what I'm after.
But to be precise, its bars
1-6
7-10
7-8
9-10
7-8
11-12
1-2
13
All this points to the limitations of musical notation, not limitations of Musescore IMHO.
In reply to If you are able to run the… by Ali Wood
Sorry - my bar numbers ref the shortened version. Don't lets get into the long version again it's too unwieldy
In reply to Sorry - my bar numbers ref… by Ali Wood
Ah!
(I got lost :( If I select a measure at the bottom I see its number. What do the numbers in the image indicate?)
In reply to Ah! (I got lost :( If I… by Shoichi
Sorry I don't understand your question.
In reply to Sorry I don't understand… by Ali Wood
I don't know where your '6' has come from. It's not in my version or yours as far as I can make out?
In reply to I don't know where your '6'… by Ali Wood
Your first attachment
In reply to Your first attachment by Shoichi
I think the bar numbers got corrupted. Now that I believe is Musescore's doing!! The 6 is incorrect
But never mind that - look at the short version
In reply to I think the bar numbers got… by Ali Wood
I have edited and attached it (shortBis).
In reply to I have edited and attached… by Shoichi
This is what I expected after making my suggested edits. I am not sure if this is what you wanted.
Monteverdi 8.3-a.mscz
In reply to This is what I expected… by SteveBlower
Yes again thanks, this is exactly the right sequence. Though I can't think it is right to have a one bar Coda?!
In reply to Yes again thanks, this is… by Ali Wood
Well, you can move the To Coda back a few bars and copy the intervening bars to the Coda if you want it longer. The double bar at the end of bar 34 (real numbering, but bar 30 according to yours) might be a convenient spot to put a To Coda. You could then copy every thing after that to the start of section B and put it in the Coda (after inserting the appropriate number of bars to accept the copied section of course).
In reply to Well, you can move the To… by SteveBlower
Steve, I have been asking around my musical colleagues. One friend (who is a fairly well known conductor but I won't embarrass him by name dropping...) has confirmed that this is a "hole in the road" as far as musical notation goes, and was of particular annoyance to Beethoven (in his 9th Symphony) and Johann Strauss in his Radetzky march.
So, in A-B-B-A sequenced pieces of music, where A finishes differently the second time round, there is no official guidance for notating the order of playing except for writing out A a second time, adding several pages of music! He says that the "To Coda" method is confusing to his orchestral players and always needs explaining out loud, so I've rejected that .
However, thanks for you help, and rest assured your suggestions were gratefully received. It may be interesting for Musescore engineers to consider how different 1st time / 2nd time bars might be used when there's no actual repeat sign - the musicians are only coming back to section A after venturing into other sections!
I have expanded the score to show the section A twice, once at the beginning and once at the end, and this is how it has to play.
Monteverdi 9.0.mscz
In reply to Steve, I have been asking… by Ali Wood
I don't think a Coda should cause confusion to any reasonably experienced player but can cause much inconvenience if the Coda is several pages away from the To Coda sign (a recipe for parts on the floor, torn pages, missed entries etc.) Writing out repeats is always a good solution. I have had some very frustrating rehearsals where explaining the "route map" has taken more time than actually playing the piece. Paper and ink are generally cheaper than rehearsal time, so the composer should always do whatever needs doing anything to avoid potential confusion about playing order even if it makes the score longer