can't paste copied selection of notes to other instrument

• Oct 30, 2022 - 18:46

From the piano part I want to copy the melody line notes and paste them into the corresponding violin score measure. If I copy all of the piano treble clef (two voices) I can paste it into the violin measure. If I select just the melody line notes (all in the same voice) and copy I cannot then paste those notes into the violin line. Nothing appears in the violin's score measure.

The manual says:

Select a list of objects
To select a list (or discontinuous range) of score elements:

Click on the first element;
Hold down Ctrl (Mac: Cmd) and successively click on the desired additional elements.


In this particular case I was able to do it using the selection filter but I can imagine a selection of notes that doesn't match one of the categories in the selection filter. How would I copy and paste to a different staff?

In reply to by symon

Many things other than notes can be copied/pasted even when they are discontinuous list selections as opposed to range selections. For example, you can use whatever method you like to select just a set of dynamics symbols - they don't have to be consecutive - then copy, and paste to another staff.

For notes, this isn't possible, but it's also harder to define what would it mean. For example, what would you expect if you've selected just a single note on beat on bar one, also the second-to-top note of a chord on beat 2 bar 2, also the third note of a quintuplet on beat 4 of bar 4, and oh yea, also some other random note from bar 78 of an entirely different staff, then tried copying that and pasting it somewhere where? Copying multiple notes is only guaranteed to make sense if you limit it to ranges.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

I agree it could be tricky but I don't see it as anything like impossible. Musescore already deals with inappropriate numbers of beats in measures such as you get from bad scanning results. That's pretty tricky. In this case you have a list of notes and rests, lay them down in order, and whatever is left over in the last measure becomes rests even if of bizarre duration. Up to the user to make sense of what they've done.

Anyway, I was just asking in case I had missed something about the use of that feature or if it didn't have that capability.

Thanks for confirming.

In reply to by symon

The thing is there is also no guarantee there is room the corresponding voices - you can’t a paste on beat two of a measure, example, if there is a whole on vast one.

Basically, it’s hard to imagine any real world use cases for copying discontiguous selections, and even if someone case you with a hypothetical example, probably you couldn’t get three people to agree on the expected result.

But if you have a real world use case in mind, feel free to post it so we can discuss how you’d expect it to work.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Ok. But first let me get really demanding and say that if I paste something on beat two of a measure that already has a whole note on beat one then I expect it automatically to create a new voice with a rest in beat one, alternatively, perhaps having chosen ahead of time which method to use, it automatically breaks the original whole note into a series of tied notes of the appropriate duration to allow the new note I entered to form an interval.

But that's a completely different tool anyway since what we are talking about is stringing together a series of selected notes and rests without any new capability of the tool to specify on what beat each item is to begin. Each new added item would simply begin at the end of the previous one.

Here's a real world example that actually is quite close to what I wanted to do originally and which I probably will do soon although I would expect to use some painstaking workaround unless I'm missing something obvious (always a possibility) or you can point me to some feature with which I'm not familiar.

I have the piano part with sequences of chords. I have a violin part along with it. I expect I will want to take individual notes and sequences of notes from within the piano chords at different points in the piece and string them together to create the violin part at some other point in the piece. Not really that bizarre at all from a compositional point of view.

In reply to by symon

I guess I should say that I would expect just to select the starting point and paste my sequence there without specifying at what beat or measure I expect it to end. That's what I do now when cutting and pasting long series of measures.

In reply to by symon

And yes, it does get tricky if you select notes from measures with different tempos or different time signatures which is essentially the same as choosing individual notes from within a triplet, a quintuplet, or whatever. I can think of various solutions to that problem.

In reply to by symon

I'm thinking all such cases could be handled with the tool automatically creating the needed tempo changes on either side of the notes in question. The user could then delete those tempo changes if what was desired was simply the duration of the inserted notehead had it been written anew into that measure.

In reply to by symon

If you attach the specific score you mean, it will be easier to discuss. If it's not something super esoteric - like, "I have sheet music for Bach's predude in C major from WTC and I want a command that automatically turns it into the fugue" :-) - probably there is a way. Like copy the whole thing then explode to separate out the parts and keep the one you want, or use one of the plugins to extract specific notes from chords, etc.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Hey! You telling me there's no plugin for that? I gotta light the incense and channel ol' J.S. or something?

Ok. Here's a cut and pasted example with added stuff to complicate matters. Lets say I want to create a violin part by grabbing the first quintuplet followed by say four notes of the septuplet followed by random notes from
the right hand in measures 5 and 6 all preceded by a selection of notes from the right hand in measure 8 while maintaining all their original durations per tempo markings and tuplet designations. TaDA! Bach's got nothin' on me.

The list select operation apparently lets me do that selection process but as noted I cannot then paste that into a new staff. I'm sure I can find a workaround method, cut and paste and so on. I just thought the list select would help me.

I admit I haven't searched for plugin assistance.

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In reply to by symon

Is that truly a real world example, though? You literally in an actual musical situation would want the violin to play exactly that? And what would they be doing on the other beats you left out of the selection? can you show me the result from the actual completed score you ended up creating, so I can better understand how you want the violin part to look?

Anyhow, the way to do this sort of thing now is pretty simple - copy the whole passage, delete the notes you don't want. That's not going to be more work than selecting and then copying only the notes you do want.

In reply to by Marc Sabatella

Well, it is an artificial creation just to illustrate what I'm talking about but yes, composers do create such stuff and expect performers to play it. This is actually pretty tame. I imagine as I flesh this piece out I will be doing things not unlike this.

In this example I can't just delete notes I don't want because I select some few notes of the septuplet and expect them to stand alone without notes or rests filling in the other septuplet beats. My fault for suggesting these particulars off the top of my head.

Here's an example demonstrating the stuff I randomly suggested. I used tempo changes matching the tuplets to allow me to use just a few notes of the tuplet stretch. Because I used tempo changes I have cheated by silencing the piano during the cut and pasted section. I might be able to do some mental gymnastics and work out how to keep the original piano part matching up properly despite the tempo changes but this is just a quickie demo of the effect I want with sequencing notes selected from various places in the piece.

I think I can come close to working it out with my current limited knowledge of Musescore. I was just wondering whether that tool could do what I wanted and I just was not using it correctly.

Maybe I should take on the challenge of creating the tool I want in Musescore.

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In reply to by symon

My point in emphasizing the real world nature of this is to point out that a) it isn't very common to run into situations where you'd need to even consider this, and b) using the alternate approaches I mentioned will handle virtually all of these cases pretty simply anyhow. So that there is almost no benefit to developing a new tool that would be used only rarely and wouldn't actually be simpler to use in practice than what's there.

It's possible my assumptions are wrong, but that's why it would be important to see the actual real world use cases, not just hypothetical ones.

But as for the method I described, yes, of course deleting notes leaves rests behind - that's musically necessary in order for the rhythm to read correctly. Anything else would not be a copy of the original, it would be changing it. Music notation has no way of saving to play the second and fifth quarter of a septuplet other than by using rests.

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