How do I add a tie to a note at the beginning of the SECOND time bar which is a tie from the last note of the measure immediately before the FIRST time bar?

• Mar 17, 2023 - 19:07

See attached image. The oboe sustains the C node at the end of the 1st measure through the 2nd and 3rd measures (i.e., the first time bar), then repeats only the first measure and jumps to the 2nd time bar (which is the 4th measure). I need to add a tie TO the C note in the Oboe's 4th measure. I know how to tie from one note to the NEXT note, but how do I indicate a tie FROM a measure before the 1st time bar TO the first note in the 2nd time bar?

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• Mar 12, 2024 - 07:42

Hi Jojo! I found those workarounds you pointed to pretty complicated (those I even understood!)—so until the devs think of a simpler way to do this, I'm just using slurs.
Add a slur to the "tied-to" note; then select the whole slur and move and resize it as needed:

MS_tie_into_2nd_end.png

Visually, I can't tell the difference. It doesn't keep the "tied-to" note from playing back separately, of course; but if it's just for notation, not playback, that shouldn't matter.

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• Mar 12, 2024 - 12:04

Actually, Jojo, it does work better to add a grace note, add a slur from it to the tied-to note, then hide the grace note. The workaround page mentions that method, but I didn't understand the need for it. However, starting the slur on a grace note, rather than leaving it hanging, keeps it from reverting to its previous position when the system's edited.

After adding the grace note and slur, I make the "tie" (slur) wider by moving the gracenote to the left. (Unfortunately—unlike every other kind of note—MS doesn't let you drag the grace note where you want it, so you must select it and decrease its horizontal Offset value in Properties panel > Offset.) I then clear the grace note's Auto-Place and Play checkboxes on the Properties palette.

What I don't think the workaround page mentions is how to tie the last note of an ending, which is also sometimes necessary:

ms_ending_tie.png

To do that, I use an actual tie:

  1. Select the note, then add a unison note (of the same pitch) by pressing Alt+1.
  2. Make the new note a different voice, then halve its time value (e.g. if it's a quarter note, make it an eighth).
  3. Press N to enter Note Entry mode, then click the Tie button to add a duplicate, tied-to note.

  4. Select and hide everything in the new voice except the tie (including rests in the new voice, if they've been added):

    ms_invisible_notes.png

  5. To move the tie closer to the bar line, you can select it and drag its right-most selection box (it doesn't seem to matter).

(Sorry, I just fixed a typo above—I'd written "Visible" instead of "Auto-Place".)

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• Mar 12, 2024 - 23:26

You mean adding a grace note after the note you want to tie, J.? Does MS even let you add trailing grace notes? I couldn't find a way to do that.
I tried adding a leading one, then moved it beyond the regular note using horizontal Offset (as we can't, for some reason, drag them where we want them).
But when I added a slur to the regular note, it went past the grace note, as though it wasn't connected to them (as it would two regular notes). So I don't know how that would bode for the slur staying in place during subsequent edits. Maybe I'm missing something.

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