What is wrong with this simplification.
I have attached an example showing the original score from an Etude I have. Published in 1878 the layout is as the first line shows, but what is "wrong" with writing the same music like I have done in line two. Looks much simpler to read.
The composer, Agathe Backer Grøndahl, was highly educated and a world leading pianist, but I simply do not understand why the first layout is the correct one. Anyone?
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I think there is nothing wrong with the second one. Both can be correct. For me, neither is easier or harder to read.
In reply to I think there is nothing… by Pentatonus
Perhaps not more difficult to read for you, but for me - it is! Thanks for feedback anyway!
If you want to ruffle some feathers, consider all those 16th notes followed by a 32nd rest. Change the 16ths to dotted 16th and make them staccato. Even easier to read. Depending on the tempo, the result would be the same. Most people will disagree. It depends on what your goal is. Most people will tell you to stick to the original. But if it is for yourself, you get to choose.
For playback in MuseScore, I will sometimes use the original style because for some wind and string instruments, staccato isn't short enough. Probably more information than you are interested in.
In reply to If you want to ruffle some… by bobjp
Thanks!
Interesting comment and idea using dotted 16th!
I feel however that would be stretching the original layout a bit too far!
My second attempt does not change the MuseScore playback and, as you say, the "staccato alternative"
"might" sound different depending on tempo.
In reply to Thanks! Interesting comment… by ErlingI
Personally, I use MuseScore for composition. Transcription isn't my thing. I probably shouldn't have commented at all. And yet, when we are dealing with music written so long ago under different norms and styles, it can be difficult to know just how to proceed.
And what's worse, I write for playback. So my notation will be to that end. Not what I would hand to real players.
In reply to Personally, I use MuseScore… by bobjp
Well your comment was appreciated anyway.
It is often "refreshing" to get input from persons with a different "base"/view on a topic. That is what we learn and get ideas from!
The first example is more consistent because it uses 2 voices in the right hand all the time. While in the second example there is a mixture of the use of one and two voices. But I don't think there's anything really wrong with the second example, it's more a matter of preference. In music with a predominantly polyphonic texture, the first example is preferred.
In reply to The first example is more… by hstanekovic
Thanks and agree: The consistent "look" is lost in "my version".
There are, however, tons of music scores where the 2 voice is not used all the way through in bars and my second version applies.
The music has a clear "polyphonic texture" in parts, but if it is predominant... hmm...
Guess I will stick to the lady's original!
This is from Grøndahl's Etude de Concert, Opus 11 No. 3, measures 14 and 15. Nothing is wrong with your version, except for the mistake in measure 15 where you have what looks like a quarter note in there. But, in the original version I think the intent was to differentiate the two voices in the top staff. If you don't care about that then by all means combine the two voices into one. It won't present any problem since this is a work for piano. They had to do that in older scores. We don't have to do that unless one of the voices has to be played more prominently. The original score doesn't mention anything like that, so do whatever you think if it makes it easier to play. Good luck!
In reply to This is from Grøndahl's… by FBXOPWKDOIR2
Thanks!
Who need SoundHound/Shazam or what these music-detection apps are called when we have such skilled musicians on MuseScore!
Btw, am I blind, but where is the quarter note?
And, pardon my ignorance, but what does it mean that "they had to do that in older scores"?
Actually my main motif was quite "primitive": to "slim" the MuseScore layout by getting rid of lots of beams and stems! And with less "noise" on a page, it gets. ....better(?).
In reply to Thanks! Who need SoundHound… by ErlingI
Yes indeed it does look cleaner without a bunch of up and down stems that seemingly serve no purpose. And they had to do it because if you start with two voices you have to keep going, unlike the music of today. I have included a screenshot of your example. The red arrow points to the quarter note in the second voice. But this could be a rendering error. If so, that's yet another problem for Musescore programmers to figure out what's going on.
UPDATE: Confirming this is happening in version 3.6.2 and 4.1.1. Here we go again, boys!
In reply to Yes indeed it does look… by FBXOPWKDOIR2
Aah, I see the quarter now , yes. Guess it has to do with me moving the beams up and down etc.
What the bug problem is, I am uncertain about, but trust you know what you are saying!
In reply to Aah, I see the quarter now ,… by ErlingI
Yes, the stem was (likely accidentally) moved. The status bar confirms the note as a 16th.
In MuseScore 3 or 4, click on the stem and use menu item: Format > Reset shapes and positions.
In reply to Yes, the stem was … by Jm6stringer
Oh yes, I have used that menu item many times :)
In reply to Yes, the stem was … by Jm6stringer
Yes indeed. It also wipes out all those nice beams, gotta re-beam. Question is, how did that happen.
In reply to Yes indeed. It also wipes… by FBXOPWKDOIR2
In Mu3 select only the stem, then reset position. Nothing else gets changed - beams stay put.
In Mu4 select only the stem, use the Properties panel to (temporarily) change the stem's length, then click the circular reset arrow. (Format > Reset shapes and positions does also work, but the score has to be saved then re-opened.)
Mu3 and Mu4 seem to behave differently here.
In reply to Aah, I see the quarter now ,… by ErlingI
The start of the score was an xml import.