Can't recreate tuple in Musescore

• May 25, 2024 - 11:18

Above is the sheet I'm trying to copy, below is my implementation that I cannot achieve. Why. How do I add a tuple of length, crotchet + semiquaver

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underquark

• May 25, 2024 - 11:31

There is a complex tuplet plugin that might do what you want. Alternatively, you can create temporary "donor" bars with odd time signatures, convert their whole-bar rests into tuplets and copy to your destination.

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maclikescheeze

• May 25, 2024 - 11:41

What's the tuple plugin? Could you link me to it? There's quite a few sections that I'll need to do this with later on.

And I don't completely understand what you mean by donor bars, wouldn't that mess up the timings and rhythms of other notes that are suppose to be played in 4/4?

underquark

• May 25, 2024 - 11:45

I haven't used the plugin, I've just heard of it in this forum - I suspect that it has a pretty explanatory name in the Plugins folder. As for messing up timings, these are temporary bars created for the express purpose of making non-standard tuplets. Add them at the end of your piece and delete them later, create a new (temporary) instrument stave or come up with some other way that suits you.

maclikescheeze

• May 25, 2024 - 11:53

Ah I understand, so I could create a separate stave of a specific time sig that I could fit those notes in, do you have the forum you heard it in?

underquark

• May 25, 2024 - 16:08

Actually, no, I got that wrong as you'd still need to put them at the end (or, at least, after the music you have already written) to avoid messing up your score. You can create a separate score and copy from that. You can save the new score for future use.

BTW, this is the plugin I have heard of but I haven't tried it:
https://musescore.org/en/project/advanced-tuplets

bobjp

• May 25, 2024 - 20:54

I'm usually wrong, but it looks to me like you have basically two nonuplets in a row. Sort of. You'd need to hide the 2 and the 9.

underquark

• May 25, 2024 - 22:51

Note quite, I think. The original looks like 7 in the space of 6 followed by 11 in the space of 10 and, later, 7:6 and 12:10.

bobjp

• May 26, 2024 - 00:14

I know. But it can be made to look correct. And depending on tempo, might not be able to tell the difference. Seems more simple. I method plays all the tuples the same note value. It will be interesting to hear it "done properly". I left the 9 and the 2 visible to show how I did it.

TheHutch

• May 26, 2024 - 08:55

Here it is, "done properly", with detailed instructions. I used a "donor measure" as underquark described it. I've left it in the score so you can see it. Obviously, you will delete it once it is no longer needed. I believe that in your score you needed it at least twice?

Press N to activate Note Input mode. You want "Step Time" mode if you normally use "Input" mode.
Enter the notes for Voice 1 normally.
Still in Note Input mode, press Ctrl+Alt+2 to switch to Voice 2.
Enter the sixteenth and the six 32nds normally. Then enter the septuplet normally as well.
Press N to exit Note Input mode.
Select a blank measure after all currently entered notes. (You can do this among previously entered notes, but it's more complicated.)
In the Time signatures palette, click the 5/16 time signature to add it to the blank measure. (If it's not present, look in More and create it if necessary.)
In this measure of 5/16, you should have one 'whole measure' rest, but once or twice I've seen it display a quarter rest and a sixteenth rest. If you have the latter, select the measure and press Delete. It will replace them with the 'whole measure' rest.
Select the 'whole measure' rest.
Click Add / Tuplets / Other. On the Create tuplet dialog, set the Ratio to 11 / 10. Set the Number and Bracket as you want them. Click OK and you now have a 11-let that lasts over the duration of a quarter note plus a sixteenth note.
Tools / Voices / Exchange voices 1 and 2.
Set the Selection Filter to only include Voice 2, then select the measure.
Ctrl+C to copy the 11-let.
Click on the sixteenth note and Ctrl+V to paste.
Enter the notes into the 11-let.
Enter the octuplet on the dotted quarter and the triplet on the sixteenth normally.
If necessary, correct beaming, hide noteheads, and correct labels on the tuplets.

And you have ...

20240526 034332-complex tuplet.png

... and ...

20240526 034332-complex tuplet.mscz

bobjp

• May 26, 2024 - 17:26

And as a slight variation, you can follow the How To from the version 3 Handbook on how to create a non-standard tuplet, All done within the measure in question. Not a bad idea to know different ways to do things.