Good news MuseGuitars Vol 2 is here
Good news, MuseGuitars Vol 2 is here but it's not free like museguitars vol 1 is, maybe sometime later it will be because the Free Musesounds are awesome.
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I would gladly pay $5 for it.
In reply to I would gladly pay $5 for it. by graffesmusic
Sure, because $5 is not much to you, but for many MuseScore users it's a lot, for simple currency/change rate reasons, and these users chose MuseScore precisely because there was no paygate to making music at last.
In reply to Sure, because $5 is not much… by SoeurKaramazov
My point is about the possibility to use commercial sounds, regardless of the price.
MMMM. This begins to make me suspicious of the motives behind Free software.
In reply to MMMM. This begins to make me… by bobjp
It should be available for free eventually
In reply to It should be available for… by s1114182721
Really? What makes you say that?
Do you have inside information?
Anyway, i would like to pay for it.
In reply to Really? What makes you say… by graffesmusic
Generally speaking having free software saves money & all that so that way nothing bad ever happens. Also Free software will make it more accessible to kids.
In reply to Really? What makes you say… by graffesmusic
bobjp said that having free software sounds makes things simpler
In reply to bobjp said that having free… by s1114182721
OK, fair point. Sorry, i thought you said you knew Guitars2 would be free at some point in the future.
In my mind, (new) free Muse Sounds are over. (i do think that every work done should be rewarded; i certainly want to pay for something i want/need)
Sadly, paying for those is not an option for Linux users. Probably the idea is that we are all penniless beggars.
Maybe one day the Musesounds Pipe Organ will be free when the time comes.
In reply to Maybe one day the Musesounds… by s1114182721
It should already be. Anything part of "MuseSounds" should be free. I'm quite literally fuming that there's finally a good MuseScore organ sound, and it's got a flippin' price tag on it.
In reply to It should already be… by BlueFalcon5433
Pretty entitled, I'd say. "Because I want it, it should be free."
Sadly, that's not how the world works. So let's talk about reality here. If Allen has something (shall we call it a "wrench") and Betty wants it, should Allen just give it to Betty because she insists it be free? Of course not! Instead, if Betty wants Allen's wrench, she has to offer him enough that the money is worth the loss of the wrench. If Allen wants to sell the wrench to Betty but he's asking a higher price for it than she's willing to pay, she must determine where HER values lie. At some point, the money will be worth LESS than the value of the wrench to her.
It's a little more complicated with endlessly reproducible items: computer programs, sound recordings, organ soundfonts, etc. Here a seller has to find the right price to pay for the work to create the original work AND to do so BEFORE the original work can be copied to the point where it will no longer have any value (because everyone has it). No matter what, some buyers will copy the work and distribute it illicitly. No matter what, other buyers will not.
But it all ends up that if a thing is for sale, the buyer has to weigh the value of "cash-in-hand" against the value of the item sold ... to them! If they value the money more than the item, they don't buy the item. If they value the item more than the money, they do. In neither case, do they get to insist that the item should be a different price. If the seller finds that they can't sell the item at the price offered they will reduce the price until it reaches the price point of enough buyers. That may or may not be low enough to reach your price point. And you still don't get to insist that the item should be any particular price.
It would not be impossible for you to create a quality soundfont for your use. Could be that you would eventually decide to sell it. "After all, that was a lot of work getting all the sound samples to create the full range of the organ." Do I get to insist that, after all the work you put in, that you should just give it away? If YOU choose to give it away, that's certainly valid. But if you choose not to, that's equally valid.
Oh, I won't be paying anything for this product ever. I won't get it unless it's free. But I'm not going to whine that it should be free.
Best to you!
In reply to It should already be… by BlueFalcon5433
How much is it?
In reply to How much is it? by yonah_ag
I don't know. As I said, I have no intention of getting it at all at any price greater than zero, so I haven't even looked. I doubt it's expensive. *shrug*
In reply to How much is it? by yonah_ag
Currently 5.99 Euro (at a 33% discount)
In reply to Currently 5.99 Euro (at a 33… by Jojo-Schmitz
So, the price of a few cups of coffee or a couple of beers. If the sound is any good then it's a bargain.
In reply to So, the price of a few cups… by yonah_ag
Where's beer that cheap (Or comes in such small quantities)?
In reply to Where's beer that cheap? by Jojo-Schmitz
Most supermarket's in the UK sell decent, real ales for about £2.50 per 500 ml bottle, although locally crafted beers do come in at around £5 per 500 ml bottle.
In reply to Most supermarket's in the UK… by yonah_ag
So rather than a couple it is more like 1 or 2 beers
Makes that soundfont even cheaper ;-)
In reply to So rather than a couple it… by Jojo-Schmitz
🙂
In reply to So, the price of a few cups… by yonah_ag
I purchased MuseSounds Guitars Vol. 2
Mandolin in one of my main performance instruments, and the mandolin that comes with Muse Guitars Vol. 2 sounds exceptionally good to me. So a good quality mandolin alone made the Muse Hub purchase worthwhile.
I exported my "Vol 2" mandolin duet of O'Carolan's Fanny Poer to MP3.
See what you think!
UPDATE: "At a glance" the other instruments packages in Muse Guitars Vol. 2 are far less impressive. And good as the mandolin is, now that I'm using it on other pieces, I'm hearing various disappointing glitches amidst a very impressive overall mandolin sound.
NOTES:
1) When MuseScore 4.4.4 opens an earlier MuseScore file (say a score from MS3.6 or 3.7) it discards any Offset or User velocity values and sets them all to User 64. Despite any technical challenges that led to this decision I find it absurd, destructive, and disrespectful of the efforts devoted to stylizing score playback; the net result is a loss of human touch and finesse. Thus, in this case, the playback is "flattened" overall and the short notes in Fanny Poer (the sixteenths) sound awkwardly loud—which hopefully is no fault of MuseSound's new Guitars Vol. 2 library.
2) In MS3.7 I set the lead and harmony instrument to mandolin and I "overrode" the default MSBasic mandolin via the Mixer with Mellow Grand Piano. (The reason is that MSBasic's "mandolin" sounds painfully like a bad harpsichord. On opening the score MuseScore 4 v4.4.4 automatically chose the mandolin from Muse Sounds Guitars Vol. 2. Not my favorite behavior, but in this case it saved me a couple of clicks.
Pros
• I've worked with mandolin VSTs and none sound as true or sweet. UPDATE: After further use I find the mandolin instrument far less convincing or useable at faster tempos ...
• Muse Sounds Guitars Vol. 2 contains a total of seven instruments:
• 12 String — fairly dark, but I could see using it for an effect
• Banjo — not a bright bluegrass banjo; more like a sock-muted clawhammer or tenor banjo
• Electric TC — haven't really fired this one up
• Mandolin — the stellar instrument in this package!
• Pedal Steel — haven't tried this enough to determine its realism
• Resonator — not bright like a Dobro or National Steel
• Ukulele — sadly this does not include notes for Low G ukulele; lowest note is middle C
Not sure why they call it Muse Guitars Vol. 2 when only four of the instruments are guitars, and the remainder are banjo, mandolin and Ukulele. But I am grateful for the mandolin!
Cons
• Like most other Muse Sounds instruments, the mandolin's amplitude is far too low. (Why is this a continuing problem? With a mp dynamic I can barely get a -6dB level on the master channel, even with the mandolin track level pegged at +12dB.)
• As far as I know, MuseSounds Guitars Vol. 2 is usable only in Musescore 4 (not in DAWs like Logic Pro)
(I don't expect to buy a lot of libraries if they only function in MuseScore.)
• It's important to understand that Muse Guitars Vol 2 does not include improvements to the Nylon or Steel string guitars available in Vol 1. It would be wonderful to see those updated in a revision of Vol 1. And it would be lovely if it included a Renaissance lute ... and Theorbo!!!
I'll listen more closely to Vol. 2's other instruments in the next few days.
scorster
In reply to I purchased MuseSounds… by scorster
Mandolin project No. 2
I created another mandolin project tonight. I based the melody on the way I played Beaumont Rag at the National Old-time Fiddler's Contest, where Texas-style playing is highly regarded and largely in play on stage and at jams around the grounds.
I was further impressed with the result ... and more concerned.
Impressive
To its credit, the Vol 2 mandolin capably plays mandolin-style rhythmic accompaniment. The style is simply: a chord is held for a quarter note, followed by a mandolin chop at the next quarter. And in MuseScore the chops are effortlessly and logically imparted by X ghost noteheads.
Concerning
Unfortunately you'll hear that the melody is occasionally slightly out of tune. And there are issues with a few notes starts, as explained below.
https://audio.com/audius/audio/beaumont-rag-mandolin-130-bpm
More concerning
• As heard in the following recording eighth, notes struggle to start when the tempo is above 130 BMP (which is quite slow for Texas-style, where the normal "slow tempo" is around 175 BPM.) In playback note onsets are largely lost, so the affected notes sound mushy and too quiet overall.
• Similarly, a notes loses an important portion of its onset when it is preceded by:
• a rest
• a note with a staccato dot
• a tie
• a dotted note (augumentation dot)
It's unclear if this is an issue with MuseScore's audio engine or if it's purely related to Muse Sounds' functionality.
https://audio.com/audius/audio/beaumont-rag-mandolin-154-bpm-with-lots-…
https://musescore.com/user/35880724/scores/22643767
@ TheHutch
Here's the thing. It's about marketing. The new guitar set is labeled Vol. 2. Volume one was free. To charge for volume 2 seems a bit like a bate and switch. Had they called it something else, it might seem different. Muse strings is free. The door is now open for a major string update (Strings vol.2) to have a price tag. There is so much on the Hub that costs money. It isn't totally about how much things cost. But that some of them cost at all. How long before versions of the software will have a price tag. Witness the announcement to cater to Finale users. Who are used to paying for things. At the seeming expense of fixing things that are needed or don't work now.
In reply to @ TheHutch Here's the thing… by bobjp
I suspect that the application is the loss leader. And that fancy-schmancy sounds will be where they will make up the loss (as well as their questionable marketing tactics on musescore.com :-( After all, they can't make any money from either MuseHub or MuseScore.com if we don't continue to use MuseScore Studio.
In reply to @ TheHutch Here's the thing… by bobjp
It doesn't seem like bait and switch at all. It's not as if anyone signed up for guitar volumes in advance only to find the pricing changed mid contract. What were they supposed to call it? "Not Guitars Volume 2", "More Guitars", "Guitars with a Cost", "Guitar Volume BobJP"?
Isn't Muse Hub run by the commercial, for profit, part of MuseScore? At $10 it seems to me that GV2 is very good value.
The codebase for MuseScore Studio is in the public domain and available on GitHub so this looks very unlikely to ever attract a price tag. You are simply scare mongering.
Regarding, "How long before versions of the software will have a price tag. Witness the announcement to cater to Finale users": your second sentence is a total non sequitur. I witnessed the announcement about Finale users and there was no price tag at all, so I haven't a clue what you are babbling on about. Finale users will be welcomed to the free, open source project called MuseScore.
I take your point about diversion of development but I guess that the timing of the demise of Finale meant that MuseScore made a strategic decision to get Finale users on board.
In reply to It doesn't seem like bait… by yonah_ag
Of course, Finale users are welcome. All I was referring to is the fact that Finale, Sibelius, and Dorico are subscription based. The appeal of MuseScore has always been that it is free. And while the the basic software may always be free. The things that make it work are becoming less so.
In reply to Of course, Finale users are… by bobjp
You have been saying for months how lousy most paid for VST's are and how well the free Muse Sounds and MS4 fit your requirements. Along come some very competitively priced sounds from Muse Hub and you've changed your tune. Make up your mind!
Have these paid for sounds really made your MuseScore Studio with free Muse Hub sounds any less appealing?
There is not the tiniest hint that MuseScore Studio is going to become subscription based so you should just stop worrying and enjoy the free software, (and free Muse Sounds).
In reply to MuseScore works just fine… by yonah_ag
Sorry. I wouldn't know about any paid VST's. I don't have any. Why would I pay for a VST and then complain about paid sounds from the HUB. No, it's the free, 3rd party VST's that aren't very good.
Look, all I'm doing is noting that there is more and more paid stuff on the HUB. That is only an observation.
I do wish the developers would spend more time making the playback engine better.
Consider the Audio Imperia offerings. $80 for the orchestra set and $30 for the solo instruments. These are outside sounds adapted to the Muse playback engine. And most of the reviews aren't very good.
I would be happier if I could control universal note length. Not with PRE. Then, if slurs actually worked, Playback would be even better.
In any case, Muse sounds are far better for what I do.
In reply to Sorry. I wouldn't know about… by bobjp
You have previously complained about the VSTi style sounds in Sibelius, (a paid for product), and said how much better Muse Hubs sounds are. You don't have to have paid for any VSTs to know about their quality as you can hear samples.
Isn't Muse Hub part of the commercial part of MuseScore, i.e. for profit? Of course there is more and more paid stuff on the hub: it's supposed to make money.
You were definitely not only noting this fact, you suggested that this could find its way into MuseScore Studio. These are your own words: "How long before versions of the software will have a price tag."
In reply to Sorry. I wouldn't know about… by bobjp
Re "I do wish the developers would spend more time making the playback engine better.
Consider the Audio Imperia offerings. $80 for the orchestra set and $30 for the solo instruments. These are outside sounds adapted to the Muse playback engine. And most of the reviews aren't very good.
I would be happier if I could control universal note length. Not with PRE. Then, if slurs actually worked, Playback would be even better.
In any case, Muse sounds are far better for what I do."
Whilst all this blather may be true, it is obfuscation and has no relevance to your insuation of "bait and switch" nor to your suggestion that MuseScore Studio could become a paid for software.
You just seem to be hurling in random stuff because your two assertions to which I took exception are not supported by any evidence.
In reply to Sorry. I wouldn't know about… by bobjp
I'm not going to respond further as I am getting too annoyed with you - and I'm probably annoying you too.
In reply to I'm not going to respond… by yonah_ag
It is not my intention to annoy you. You don't annoy me. I see no reason two adults can't carry on a conversation even if they don't agree. We both have opinions.